Ontario Tax Sale Property Forum
Tax Sale Forum => General => Topic started by: willdernessgirl on April 12, 2008, 06:41:04 PM
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As in an earlier post by Pfm1011, this is a 100AC lot severed off the original 200AC with a house on the other half. I don't know how true this info is as I can't verify it from anywhere. 1132 Risto Rd (also as mentioned in the earlier post as the municipal address - again it can't be verified) has a long driveway through forest goes all the way to the open back where a house is located. If what Pfm1011 said is true, then this must be "the other half", then the subject lot might be the lot to the west - forest setting, pretty wet. I was a little scared when I saw a sign of "the land is ours. back off, government" on the window, wondering if somebody would come out of nowhere and shoot at me. :o
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Thanks for the added info. I'm in NW Ontario so can't really "drive by" whenever to take a look. I did read the previous post but hoped some people had been out there to see it. Hmmm ... ya I think i'd be a little wary of going on property with a sign like that in the window ... yikes.
Any additional info/photos are appreciated.
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Here is the map for the property. Hope that makes it clearer. ( you have to be signed in)
In regards to the sign, Don't think thats a "ruby ridge or Waco " sort of sign, They are protesting green zones etc as the fine , nature loving "country folk" think they should be able to subdivide and pave over everything to their hearts content and any zoning laws that protect forest and wildlife etc are dictatorship like.... "Heck its a small open pit mine..whats the problem ?? the mercury will wash away "...
Zoning procedures and rules are only for city people don't you know.
http://ruralrevolution.com/website/index.php?option=com_content&task=section&id=144&Itemid=219
Visit that site and read the sad story about the poor grape farmer who cant subdivide his land..boo hoo hoo i cant pave over the farm "damn greenbelt nazi's"
Read about the poor farmers whos crops are worthless and has to subdivide ( yeah thats why 300 k combines are on backorder for 3 months)( need the write off) I dont see anything on there about 6 dollar a bushel corn at 150 bushels an acre..hmmmmmm Or Soy at 13 x 50 bushels acre hmmm Poor farmers, have to buy a porsche for a farm vehicle..
Now what to do with the 45 weeks I dont actually work Hmmmm ( cash crop only)
Or read the sad story of people who have to put in a septic bed instead of dumping direct into the river... Clean water act..Nazi's!!!!!
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Hi Pfm1011, can you tell how you know the property used to be 200AC, half sold off with a house on, the other half left is the subject tax sale property ... etc.? MPAC record does not show a municipal address and any building associated with the roll number. So what you say seems very true. It's just I can't verify that. Is it possible in remote rural areas, people could erect an "illegal" structure without any authority's knowing. Question could go further, if such a property goes for tax sale, what could you do, as the winner, with the structure?
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I can trace the history the same way I got the map. If the map showing the house matches the driveway you walked up , then the house you looked at is NOT in the sale. Unfortunately google earth is low rez at that location so I cant compare aerials with site plan maps. It does go high rez just down the road so at least you can get area topography. It does show the driveway.
The 1132 Risto was assigned prior to the sale so the property does NOT have a municipal address as it will remain with the East 100 acres
All the info would be on file at the registry office ( not sure location for that town, check on here there is a list)
Just trying to save you a trip. If you are going to bid you will still need to make the trip. You can call the
land reg office and they should be able to recommend a title searcher for you.
Im sure you will find that the house is not on the land in question, Alternately if you go back it appears to be the first driveway off silverlake. I haven't done a title search but I would as there is alot of executions against the land and you want to make sure that they are not from MOE or City property standards orders etc
Has anyone checked the zoning ??? Also is Risto a paved rd or gravel??
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MPAC record shows Vacant Residential. Risto Rd is a nice paved RR type of road. 1132 Risto is gated, and the only gated property nearby. Steel gate was half open. That's where I drove in and followed the muddy driveway to the house. I guess what you said is right - 1132 Risto is "the other half", another half to the west is the tax sale property in question - swampy forest.
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Here is the map for the property. Hope that makes it clearer. ( you have to be signed in)
In regards to the sign, Don't think thats a "ruby ridge or Waco " sort of sign, They are protesting green zones etc as the fine , nature loving "country folk" think they should be able to subdivide and pave over everything to their hearts content and any zoning laws that protect forest and wildlife etc are dictatorship like.... "Heck its a small open pit mine..whats the problem ?? the mercury will wash away "...
Zoning procedures and rules are only for city people don't you know.
http://ruralrevolution.com/website/index.php?option=com_content&task=section&id=144&Itemid=219
Visit that site and read the sad story about the poor grape farmer who cant subdivide his land..boo hoo hoo i cant pave over the farm "damn greenbelt nazi's"
Read about the poor farmers whos crops are worthless and has to subdivide ( yeah thats why 300 k combines are on backorder for 3 months)( need the write off) I dont see anything on there about 6 dollar a bushel corn at 150 bushels an acre..hmmmmmm Or Soy at 13 x 50 bushels acre hmmm Poor farmers, have to buy a porsche for a farm vehicle..
Now what to do with the 45 weeks I dont actually work Hmmmm ( cash crop only)
Or read the sad story of people who have to put in a septic bed instead of dumping direct into the river... Clean water act..Nazi's!!!!!
Hi everyone,
I've been lurking on this forum for over a year now and finally became a member.
Nice forum with lots of good knowledge given.
But I don't agree with the negative comments made by Pfm1011 about the FARMERS.
I personnally know quite a few farmers that work their butt off and put in long hours.And can barely make ends meet. They don't have time for vacations and weekends are just like another workday with long hours and no pay.Lots of them even have to get a second job off the farm or sell some property to be able to pay the bills.
How many of us are out working the fields at 2:00 AM in the morning?
So Pfm1011,
I hope you think of the poor farmers when you're enjoying your bacon and eggs in the morning, your cereal,milk and your lovely steak when you're at the cottage or home and don't forget your nice juicy burger.Even the ingredients in your beer comes from a farmer.
As far as your other comment regarding dumping septic in the river. I would suggest you look at lots of those cottages that have been there for years without a septic on their small lots polluting are precious water.
I'm not here to start a fight but someone has to speak-up for these poor farmers and acknowledge the hard work they do to supply us with our daily food.What will we do when they're all gone?
Count on China to feed us with their lousy track record of poison and other things in our food.
It's something to think about.
Have a nice evening
Mary-Jane
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Thank you Kevin110 for saying what I wanted to say.
I admire your candidness Pfm1011, and I've enjoyed your insight and knowledge on Tax sale's and your humor very much. However, I do not appreciate your comments.
I will admit that there are big business's out there that are running farms nowadays and pushing out the small farmer. Maybe you should have clarified that in your post.
My father struggled for 45 years trying to make ends meet on our small dairy farm. Mind you we had the best life ever (NOT rich but fulfilling). I wouldn't trade being raised on a farm and the struggles we went through for anything. Even the close call we had to almost loosing everything in the early eighties with the recession and insane interest rates.
There were many times and may stories I could go on about love my parents and so proud of them. (even in their Eighties still live on the farm).
Good night
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willdernessgirl, did you check out those 148AC and 137AC Fauquier-Strickland properties? They seem nice if you don't mind moving just a little bit closer to "SE" of Ontario.
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No, actually I hadn't looked at them ... I thought I read somewhere that there was a problem with those properties ... I'll check 'em out ... tnx :D Just want my own little piece of privacy :D
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Dreams101.. I should have clarified it better ..Cash Crop only
Any livestock or Diary do work hard , apparently the cows wont milk themselves so forget the vacation. ( of course we wont touch the cash value of the quota) As per high interest rates, Everybody lost homes , not just farmers. When was the last time you seen a farm bankrupcy sale?? Let me know if you do as I will be the first with my paddle up)
However Cash Crop..I stand by my comments. I'm sure I will get the inevitable responses from the farmers so any "Cash Crop " farmer that wishes to respond ..Please share with us what it takes to run 100 acres of corn. ( This is based on Till, ( subtract plowing and harrow if No till) Give us your year.. I will start for you One tractor mid sized 80 to 90 horse 100 acres 2600 x 1680 ft ( rounded) Cost of 100 acre farm with house, Not much more then city house, ( Ontario farmer classifieds)
..October to April..Complain...wash tractor..Complain..wash pickup..Complain...go to mexico ...complain
Mid April ..Burn down crop (round up) ...1 day ( two if very small sprayer)
complain
Mold Board Plow 15 hours ( 2 days ) 5 blade , 30 inch spacing average 4.5 mph
complain
Harrow 2 days ( 12 hours @ 6 mph) ( Havent allowed for wider swipes so harrow is probably under 8 hours)
complain
Plant ..two days ( 13 hours @5.5 mph) Again havent allowed for wider planter versus plow)
complain
Preemergance spray 1 day
Complain
Next two Months watch grow..Complain about too much rain, not enough rain , Average rain ( good crops will mean low prices) ( of course your average $ per acre is still the same but don't mention that )
complain again just because...
spray herbicide 1 to 2 days/ fertilizer
complain
Next two months watch grow..Complain about too much rain, not enough rain , Average rain
complain
Pray for early frost so you can collect crop insurance
Complain
Harvest 2 days 3mph , 20 foot head,
complain
Plow under 2 days
complain
Plant winter wheat/clover etc ....2 days
complain
Add 5 days thruout summer for various duty ( irrigation , extra spraying etc)
complain
Add a couple days for for whatever.. batwinging..greasing ..
more complaining
2 days every 5 years subsoiling
complain
Clear after write-offs (which is everything including house, cars , dogfood ) 20K to 30 K CLEAR ( thats not counting the silly 6 per bushel corn or 13 bushel Soy we get today) That is for a small 100 acres, Triple the land , does not triple the work as more equipment will offset. Included is your cars, dually diesel pickups , atv's , house, hydro , taxes etc etc . Today a corn farmer at 6 per bushel will pull $900 per acre less production of 200 to 250 ( way way high) . 65K clear after all expenses including equipment.
Large equipment cost story..Like any business you rent or contract unless you can do the math to justify purchase. You dont buy a brand new combine to use 2 days a year on 100 acres. You rent or contract like all business..Or wait need the writeoff,,buy the combine ( 2 to 3000hr min life at 20 hours a year for 100 acres)
Dont get me wrong, I respect farmers, however the "starving farmer story" is ridiculous especially in Ontario where the land lease rates are dirt cheap compared to US. ( under 100 per versus 325 Per acre ( US Government figures) ) No one is buying the sad story.Especially the John Deere dealers .. I would have alot more respect if they came out and said..yeah we do good..enjoy your corn
As per second jobs, The reason they can get second jobs is that the first job, farming 50 or 100 acres leaves them about 45 weeks MINIMUM a year to work elsewhere. Except for weather consideration you can essentially run 100 acres on weekends You can run a full time job, Take 2 weeks vacation in the spring, work a few weekends in the summer , and then take two week leave at harvest and you are done.
Now compare to average factory worker making 20 an hour.. 2000 hours at the job, ( 2 weeks vacation) Pay house, pay car , pay property tax .. Pray to god no layoff.. If lucky left with zero at year end but not in debt. If lucky and a real good saver might actually see a new car every 7 years . Add a kid or two..Never see a new car
If worker in small town reduce to 13 to 15 an hour, dreaming of ever owning new car, . Eastern Ontario lower to 12 an hour and dream of owning a small townhouse)
Any response ..please provide actual numbers , not just the same lame story (and yes I do have the charts)
( I have now moved to my bunker awaiting the shelling)
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( I have now moved to my bunker awaiting the shelling)
Let me be the first.
Did you hear the one about the farmer who won a big lottery. Newspaper came out, and asked him what he was going to do with his fortune. He replied....'reckon I'll keep farmin' till it's all gone'.
Any idea how much airline pilots make...for working 10 days a month. I fell safe when I'm flying, cause they are so rested.
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"Looking at profits, corn tops soys
The USDA might be predicting an increase in soybean acres but corn remains the most profitable choice for U.S. farmers, a University of Illinois study has found.
AgWeb reports ag economist Gary Schnitkey and his colleagues have found that the profit advantage for corn in Illinois this year is greater than it was in either 2007 or 2006.
"In recent years, the difference between corn and soybean returns has increased, indicating that corn has become more profitable than soybeans," he says, suggesting farmers could realize about $290(US) per acre more by growing corn
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"Any idea how much airline pilots make...for working 10 days a month. I fell safe when I'm flying, cause they are so rested"
Actually do you have any Idea.???.Air Canada starting wage for FO is 35K (TRUE , At least 2 years ago, not sure now) , Goes up in year 3 to real wages , Once you hit year 10 you start to see real money...However Air Canada is the top of chart. They do have it made once they hit full rate but they are less then a few percent of the actual working pilots
If you are senior at Air Canada you do have it good, But they are but a few.
Most pilots in Canada make well south of 60 flying freight or for commuter airlines. First officers will make under 35 . You can go to Hamilton any day at 6 am and check out the freight dogs...No money there and Layoffs every couple years as the contracts flip . They do get the glamour of flying to Sudbury and back every day .
In addition most of these guys have been stupid enough to pay for their own type endorsements so they literally have to buy the job dreaming of one day making Air Canada.
Mind you ...Get a good long haul job and there is nothing sweeter then a circling approach over Phuket or running along south of the Himalayas but they are few and far between
Also note: it is the third most dangerous profession...This figure only includes on the job deaths, not long term such as skin cancer from solar radiation (true) and alcohol poisoning on layovers :D hahahahaha
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Does that explain why you quit flying and went into farming. I know I am making some assumptions here. How did we ever get so far off-topic.
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I quit flying since I had to work in Europe to make any coin, To fly in Canada was a huge pay cut so I got out after 5 years in Europe and Asia as I wanted to actually be home more then 2 weeks out of 8. .... By the way , 2008 Aircanada starting wage per Collective agreement 37,300 CDN.. 42,400 year two then rate varies on AC type from 50 to 80K in year 3
The reason we are off topic is....No big tax sale info going on.so we have to put something on here and I cant find a "piss off the farmer forum"...However Niagara should be worth a few pages ..Thats my project for this week is to run thru that one but no rush since its still a few weeks off.....Easy to sumarize..Dogs Breakfast ..
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The reason we are off topic is....No big tax sale info going on.so we have to put something on here and I cant find a "piss off the farmer forum"...However Niagara should be worth a few pages ..Thats my project for this week is to run thru that one but no rush since its still a few weeks off.....Easy to sumarize..Dogs Breakfast ..
You guys contaminated willdernessgirl's wish to have a "private space" ::)
Nothing big is going on? Everybody's so quiet on upcoming Muskoka Lakes' tax sale - are you holding your breath there not to wake up anybody? ;)
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I've got farmer friends, and I've got flying friends. The flyers do much better.
Muskoka lakes: two land-locked parcels; one shack on a small lot in Bala (zoned commercial) but not good for it; one very steep, small lot, on a busy road, that goes down to a bit of a swamp on a river that varies in water level, on a busy road; and, lastly - one nice cottage that will never make it to sale, and if it does you'd better have plenty of loose change on hand.
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Truce
Well I guess thats why I left the farm.
Couldn't find a pilot that wasn't into himself and didn't want a farmer who was always outstanding in his field ;D
Married a Mennonite instead who's family fights over two copper pennies :o Have to come up with my own coin for these tax sales.
As for the lot in Bala, it didn't look too steep but then there was a bit of snow when I saw it. Your right about the water level though. Probably why it was never developed in the first place.
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oops maybe I should have posted that in the Muskoka forum
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If anyone attended please post the result.
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I didn't attend but bid on another (Fauquier Strickland) and have posted summary results elsewhere.
Interesting enough 2nd in a row that I came in second. Any one have any experience with the number of times first bidder walks. (assume no fundamental problems with the site)
Looks like the well heeled guys even coming to Northern Ontario.
That is why I can't go into the high priced areas like Muskoka or even Hamilton even though I originally came from Hamilton. My ancestors used to work in the North End. Maybe they should have had better contacts with some of the more affluent locals. Possibly one from Railside Drive.
Dave2
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Im betting the chance of a walkway is thin to nil..sorry
However if you were 11900 , you were right in the pack, There is nothing you can do about someone coming in "high". I guess it is a p*ss off coming in second twice but still better then winning by a huge margin as then you have overpaid.
If this is for business..you will lose a pile before you win..if you win them all it means you are overpayiny.
Then again if you really want a piece for use , not just for investment, Sometime you might want to toss a few extra at it. If you are building a cottage on a piece of land, who cares if you pay an extra 5 K as that is a drop in the bucket. If you keep a piece of land 20 years, does it really matter if you paid 11k or 18..not at all especially if you are tossing 100 or 200K into a small cottage
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If anyone is interested 1132 Risto appears to have sold for 56700 on july 28th. Doesnt show anything else so Im presuming that is the auction result and took a few months for the paperwork.
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If anyone is interested 1132 Risto appears to have sold for 56700 on july 28th. Doesnt show anything else so Im presuming that is the auction result and took a few months for the paperwork.
This info is confusing. The tax sale went 56,700, but I don't think it's 1132 Risto. I just spoke with the Town. They are pretty sure that's a vacant land not the one with the house on it, which is 1132 Risto.
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They are both registered as 1132 risto , the land was severed years ago and the address wasnt taken off. Have to use the assessment number to split them up