Ontario Tax Sale Property Forum
Tax Sale Forum => General => Topic started by: farrouk on September 26, 2008, 04:38:56 PM
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Just to give people the heads up. Don't expect much info from these clowns at the township office. The package they send out lacks any meaningfull info. When I called they wouldn't give me the zoning, property size or assessment. I stated this is public information and that this is the only municipally that has ever denied giving it out over the phone. She got all snarky and said "if I gave it to you I would have to give it to everybody." I was however invited to drive the 4 hours each way to look it up myself.
Thanks a million.....
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Just to give people the heads up. Don't expect much info from these clowns at the township office. The package they send out lacks any meaningfull info. When I called they wouldn't give me the zoning, property size or assessment. I stated this is public information and that this is the only municipally that has ever denied giving it out over the phone. She got all snarky and said "if I gave it to you I would have to give it to everybody." I was however invited to drive the 4 hours each way to look it up myself.
Thanks a million.....
Yeah. Compared to the City of Greater Sudbury, they all should be fired.
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I'm 20 mins from there right now at my cottage and have been unable to get a location of these properties from the municipality. I don't expect these to be anything but bush lots but really it's in their best interest to try and get the best bids they can for these properties.
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If you ask them, they can fax or mail you the tender packages including maps with the locations of the properties. On the city website they have maps with zoning and you can correlate those with the ones they send you and find out easily the zoning and anything else.
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Technically, they are required to advertise the property for sale...that means only that they must provide the legal description, and the minimum tender price. End of discussion.
Most municipalities provide detailed information packages just to save themselves having to answer a million questions regarding location, buildings, zoning, etc.... They don't have to.
The municipality is not required to obtain the highest or best price...therefore no lawsuits from former owners for underselling their property, as is the case with foreclosurers.
There are ways to get the info., however it means a lot of legwork, and cost that may be down the drain. Hence, the need for a web-site such as this one, to share the info. we have and save each other dollars.
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Being a municipality, they are civil servants to the public and are required to provide information to the public. If I call and ask "what is the zoning, where is the property located in your municipality, etc etc"... they are required to inform the public. There are obvious limitations to what information is given out but most of the information about properties we look for is general public information.
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If you ask them, they can fax or mail you the tender packages including maps with the locations of the properties. On the city website they have maps with zoning and you can correlate those with the ones they send you and find out easily the zoning and anything else.
I did ask them to fax or email since I wasn't in the mood to wait for snail mail. They said they would mail them but that's it.
I was just curious, I'm not going to have them waste a stamp on me.. I won't be a buyer.
Where are there maps on the website? I couldn't find them.
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Larry: Read my post before you respond. I have the package and it is useless.
As Frank stated they aren't required to give more than the bare minimum and thats what you get. They tarnish all government workers reputation. They wouldn't last long in the private sector. ( I've worked in both)
I should say that up till now most townships have been very helpful and many give you more than you ask for.
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If you ask them, they can fax or mail you the tender packages including maps with the locations of the properties. On the city website they have maps with zoning and you can correlate those with the ones they send you and find out easily the zoning and anything else.
I did ask them to fax or email since I wasn't in the mood to wait for snail mail. They said they would mail them but that's it.
I was just curious, I'm not going to have them waste a stamp on me.. I won't be a buyer.
Where are there maps on the website? I couldn't find them.
What's all the fuss.
Just for fun I called today, and the lady was quite pleasant. She asked if I would prefer to have the package mailed, or e-mailed. It was in my hotmail account a few minutes later. Rudimentary Location maps were attached, but not much else. No dimensions or zoning info. With the roll numbers I can now get much of that from MPAC, and the township zoning by-law, maps and official plan are all on their web-site. I can also check out the properties and surrounds via google earth. With Geo-Warehouse, I can use the PIN numbers to get other info, that would be of assistance....that is if I was truly interested....but nothing there struck my fancy.
I agree that they could have provided much more detail (as most municipalities do), however, where is the fun in that.
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Yes I would agree that other townships are far ahead of them (namely Seguin.. great maps, info and service). So far my experience with townships close to Kearney I get the feeling that even the township isn't 100% sure where some of the properties are as far as physically locating them from a roadway.
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I have done exactly what Frank did. I am attaching the city website with the zones, but as I said, you need to corralate those maps with the map you received from them. They were nice to me and their package helped. There is also MPAC.
http://kearney.fileprosite.com/contentengine/launch.asp?ID=296
I hope this helps.
Larry
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No. 1 and 3 went to the highest bid $55,000, probably the same tender
No. 2, no tender
No. 4 redeemed
No. 1 is on water, with a house on 235x826 lot, assessed at $145,000
No. 3 25.75 acres, with a log on, assessed at $93,000
This is so far the best taxsale result to tender I've ever seen.
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Thank you, Jayz. I tried calling the Town, but they could not give me the results because "their lawyer had not viewed the tenders yet". I did not know that it was a house on the lot. MPAC did not tell me that. How did you find out? Going there? MPAC assessment was under $50,000.
Larry
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Thank you, Jayz. I tried calling the Town, but they could not give me the results because "their lawyer had not viewed the tenders yet". I did not know that it was a house on the lot. MPAC did not tell me that. How did you find out? Going there? MPAC assessment was under $50,000.
Larry
I learned lot size / house size / log cabin size / municipal address / assessed value beforehand from MPAC (its online system was then unavailable because of a major upgrade undergoing; those info were given to me over phone). The town also confirmed all lot sizes to me. And yes then I went and see them all. I actually was a little crazy about the one on grass lake rd (No. 3) - close to water, over 25 acres with a large than 1,000 sf log cabin, a detached 2-car garage and 2 other, maybe, storage structures. They are in less than decent shape but considered fixable. It seems the property has been abandoned for long. I thought I could steal it with a little over $30 grand. :(
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Sounds like we let sweet deal get away. I had no idea there was a house on the waterfront property, (didn't do my homework) Then I let the hazard designation spook me. But with a house already there it wouldn't have mattered. The lady at the township probably has my phone number blocked so I dare not call back.
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Sounds like we let sweet deal get away. I had no idea there was a house on the waterfront property, (didn't do my homework) Then I let the hazard designation spook me. But with a house already there it wouldn't have mattered. The lady at the township probably has my phone number blocked so I dare not call back.
A simple MPAC check whould have told you the existance of the house. Hazard designations (probably flood plain) are only a few pockets of the nearly 26 acres property.
Who knows, the winner probably is somebody who's lurking here, laughing. Have we seen those big sharks recently? ;D
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Does anyone have kearney results?
Could not attend.
thankinyainadvance.
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Property 1 - $ 8200 39 acres landlocked
Property 2 - $ 80,501 Waterfront
Property 3 - $ 28,500 backlot
Property 4 - $ 16250 100 acres (Hazard landlocked) 1 bid only
Struck out big time on this one. Other than the waterfront lot there were no deals here. Just my opinion
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Thanks.
1 and 4 are just crazy.But the the other two prices seem ok. By crazy I mean they were over assesed in my opinion.
2 may be the nicest i've seen and still a deal.
Strike out by $1 ? That would really suck.
goodlucknextime.