Ontario Tax Sale Property Forum
Tax Sale Forum => Properties for sale => Topic started by: Helpme on February 14, 2009, 10:38:10 PM
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Hi,
This is not a property tax sale, but I thought it may be worthwhile to post incase anyone is interested.
Ex claimed bankruptcy, and co own waterfront property. Cleared road and two platforms. Ready to build on. In Quebec, 20 minutes from Pembroke, about 1 1/2 hours from Ottawa.
A little over 3 acres.
Have no interest in keeping property. Was listed for 65000$. Will sell for balance of mortgage, approximately 49000$ and buyer pays the taxes.
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I would suggest youprovide much more detail of the property than what you have suggest so far.
1) hydro, spetic?
2) taxes annual
3) road in - current condition (how long in?)
4) When property was last been used (taken care of)
5) On lake, streem etc?
6) zoning? building permitted?
7) neighbours?
8) Structures?
9) Genral lay of the land, wooded, gravel road, hunting fishing?......
hen an only then would one consider this property seriously.
I would probably offer $ 32,000 if the ltter features were evident.
Thanks, again
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No Hydro, no septic built.
Road in 2006
Private lake - no motor engines
Property last used with the real estate agent we had it listed with, ended Oct 2008. Had it listed for 68000$ + tps/tvq.
2008 taxes Municipal $146.90
2007 taxes Scolaires $46
Total:$193
Wooded
Area attractions: A hunter's paradise!
* Walking distance to breathtaking water fall.
* The lake boasts of bass, pickeral (walleye) and pike (many trout lakes in the area).
* Access to Snowmobile and ATV trails ~ visit http://www.amp-psda.qc.ca to view trail maps & tourist information.
* The nearby Black River Inn offers an evening of entertainment, tastefully presented dinners & accommodations.
* 45 minute drive to golf courses & ski hill; 2 hours from Ottawa/Gatineau; 55 minutes from Pembroke; approx. 5.5 hours from Toronto & 4 hrs from Montreal.
Presently other lots are about 1.5 acres and selling for 55000$
http://ottawa.kijiji.ca/c-housing-other-Lakeshore-lots-for-sale-W0QQAdIdZ106118539
No neighbours in behind.
Surface:12914,0 m2
frontage is 207'57'06
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Here is a link the the lakes' association.
http://lacsauriol.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=44&Itemid=28
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All green : no motor engine, no noise
Sorry I'm a firm in believer in jetskis , Searays and Volvo Penta ...For quiet I go to achray (Algonquin North)
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All green : no motor engine, no noise
Sorry I'm a firm in believer in jetskis , Searays and Volvo Penta ...For quiet I go to achray (Algonquin North)
I'm with PFM...I don't want to be able to hear when a trea falls in the forest. How could I sleep at night without the sound of boat motors...usually islanders getting in late, or those crazy fishermen who don't know when enough is enough. Too much excercise in canoes and row boats. Give me a bow-rider with an alpha on the back anyday...that's why God made water skis.
They probably even want you to use a manual auger for ice fishing...yuck.
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I can certainly understand ones "needs" in the so called wilderness, from most of the lots here that are obvious city born...and raised.
Many of you have ruined "cottage" country, and our Canadian North this past generation by your selfish need of consumption.I also would go so far as Canadians north and from T.O have invested in "northern subdivisons" rather than having a more "holistic" approach to rural, or country get away.
I would suggest, the cottages or shacks of old, were poorly constructed, and indeed lack any practical thought or resources once "developed".
But, greed was not the motivation for such "opportunities".
Unfortunately, that is all I see now. And not only here. But, everywhere.
That's the face of "God's Country" and our world now.
Enjoy?
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I agree with Dogma. Our family had a "shack"(Outhouse etc.) on Maple Lake in Haliburton.Because of new regulations,etc.we could no longer afford to keep it,so we sold it.It's been a few years now but we still miss our little "shack in the woods."i miss the calling of the loons at night and gazing at the stars.(at certain times of the year you could see the Northern Lights!)Oops I guess I'm getting off the subject.What was that again? Forest behind us.Lake in front of us.Empty lot beside us.Yes I grew up a city kid BUT give me the COUNTRY will no frills anytime!
RIGHT ON DOGMA!!!!
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UPDATE:
Re: my last post-I didn't mean to offend any of you guys/gals. There is just my wife and I now and this is our idea of cottaging.
P.S. I also have a motor boat myself, although I would prefer paddling out to my favourite fishing spot. PLEASE take no offence.
This is the greatest forum on the web!!!!!!!!! AND you people are the GREATEST.(The information that I have gathered from you guys is priceless) Thanks to all of you.
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BandD - no offense - but I am glad at least some hear "think" and reflection ways we can respect and cherished the "north".
Not just buy and sell ones morals, for development or ego "deal" - sake.
My sacrad land and strawbale roof, will remain my hope from "cottage country" predators with their seadoos, minivan monsters and power needy entertainment machines.
I will not allow such "modern & UNNECESSARY pests" to be the destroyer of lakes, trees and animals habitate.
If you have any real knowledge of the land, make your short visit with it a peaceful, and less
intrusive one for everyones sake.
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My sacrad land and strawbale roof, will remain my hope from "cottage country" predators with their seadoos, minivan monsters and power needy entertainment machines.
I will not allow such "modern & UNNECESSARY pests" to be the destroyer of lakes, trees and animals habitate.
If you have any real knowledge of the land, make your short visit with it a peaceful, and less
intrusive one for everyones sake.
" Here Endeth the lesson, Please turn to page 74 in you hymn books.............."
So Im guessing you arent the one a jetboat with open headers being towed by a hummer with spinners and 1000 watts of subwoofers ...
.. You may want to look into a private lake..very far from town and very very far from people .. start at Norman Wells ..and head north
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BandD - no offense - but I am glad at least some hear "think" and reflection ways we can respect and cherished the "north".
Not just buy and sell ones morals, for development or ego "deal" - sake.
My sacrad land and strawbale roof, will remain my hope from "cottage country" predators with their seadoos, minivan monsters and power needy entertainment machines.
I will not allow such "modern & UNNECESSARY pests" to be the destroyer of lakes, trees and animals habitate.
If you have any real knowledge of the land, make your short visit with it a peaceful, and less
intrusive one for everyones sake.
No offense taken, however, may I suggest that turtle island be returned to its rightful owners. That would be me and my kin. This land, ...the land of the silver birch,... home of the beaver, was taken from us by all of you illegally, and it must some day be returned to us.
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I believe Bruce Willis is not a native, he just plays one in filmland.
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Illegally?
Frank.
Your land will be returned shortly,(just as soon as the cheque I granted Hydro clears).
Sorry for the wait.Respectfully yours.
Her Majestry.
p.s. You wanted waterfront yes?
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Unfortunately; "Bruce" the "Stolen Land" - cannot so easily be returned to mother earth.
But, one can at least respect "the land" in ones possession. Including ones neighbours, that "share it" with you that weekend.
I did grow up in Toronto (the good) then, but I must seem (to you) to be more of a boy scout than many here wish to admit.
At that time, (I) we camped, cottaged and canoe tripped across north Ontario, including Killarney Provincial Park. Which has changed into a paved "Disney World" compared to its past "wilderness" camping days.
We (I) was always taught to leave the campsites, trails & lakes better than we found it. Radio's were banded on trips, and we never used any motorized vehicles on or near the lakes. Infact; washing had to be done 100 feet, 30 meters away from the shore. (If and when we need to.)
At our cottage near Bala (back then) there was not then - quite the number of boats, or "recreational boats" there are today. Even the one (1) sea flee that would on occasion skip across the lake, always slowed down at signed speed limit areas.
I have vast experience in these so called "modern times" of the state of cottage, chalet or camping practices/attitiude.
I am not surprised such "connivance" and "fashion" has arrived in near north. I do not have to respect the charm of it though. Nor the lack of experience most have with the "outdoors"in general people have. Most have more respect for their short term comfort rather than the simpleness of why one goes to such "retreats". That is the problem. (People are naive to their impact.)
To me, the less I bring with me on such "pilgrimages" the better ones experiences will be.
Sure, you will miss your moments of control, power, & envey - your thrill seeking teenage boys will have to actually learn something other than level 8 on their devices. How about how to start a fire with pine sap? How about how to paddle a canoe properly, gunnel bob or help cleanup a local beach! Can this be so demanding? Is this so difficult from such sophisticated & important people here?
And if it is. I just want you to keep the hell away from me. (And consider others & simpler times may not be that far away.)
Its the choices we all make, teach - that makes the experience one brings to "the lake".
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Dogma
I think you have me (and probably PFM) all wrong.
I don't bathe in the lake
I always catch and release
I shoot animals with a camera
I don't fertilize my lawn...hell, I don't even cut it and spew toxic fumes with those lawn-mower things
I snow shoe, and cross country ski
I don't poison squirrels and chipmunks
I collect rain water from my roof
I turn down the thermostat
I don't flush if it is yellow...and I don't leave the seat up
I only drink red wine
I have a wind generator
I love seeing the fall colours
I know how to start a fire without a match
I shower with a friend whenever I can
I don't pick the trilliums
....does all this put me back in the good books, just goes to show that you can't really know a person from the internet.
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Frank - You're beginning to sound like one of us "old fashioned cottagers." Enjoy it! We're not here that long anyway. Time flies all too fast.
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Frank - You're beginning to sound like one of us "old fashioned cottagers." Enjoy it! We're not here that long anyway. Time flies all too fast.
Heh, You obviously missed the part about showering with a friend. 8)
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Dogma
I think you have me (and probably PFM) all wrong.
I don't bathe in the lake
I always catch and release
I shoot animals with a camera
I don't fertilize my lawn...hell, I don't even cut it and spew toxic fumes with those lawn-mower things
I snow shoe, and cross country ski
I don't poison squirrels and chipmunks
I collect rain water from my roof
I turn down the thermostat
I don't flush if it is yellow...and I don't leave the seat up
I only drink red wine
I have a wind generator
I love seeing the fall colours
I know how to start a fire without a match
I shower with a friend whenever I can
I don't pick the trilliums
....does all this put me back in the good books, just goes to show that you can't really know a person from the internet.
Additionally I have over 200 acres of forest ...just growing and churning out oxygen..half of which was replanted at my cost just so my descendants can enjoy it.
I spent 10K in lighting control systems in my offices just to kill the lighting..( a cost that will never be recovered by the hydro savings but makes people feel warm and fuzzy) I spent years working (volunteer) with endangered animals (not with scammers like greenpeace or Peta, both of which could care less about the animals..just the dollars) and this was long before it was trendy to do so. I do not hunt and do not allow it on my land
I however do flush if it is yellow I also run twin Volvo's in a 30 ft express cruiser , Drive a HUGE SUV ( no spinners) , Modified my car to bring it up to 425 horse ( As we all know that 400 horse just isn't enough) and jetski when ever possible.. I would own a hummer H1 in a second if they weren't such crappy performance... just because they are obnoxiously large and can drive thru anything
Dogma ..If you believe that talking about buying an acre up north and living like a poor redneck while driving a old beat up pickup spewing smoke and dripping oil is in some way good for the planet and gives you the right to make speeches and be holier then thou , you are sadly sadly mistaken..
Go buy a big chunk of land or two , Plant a few thousand trees, help save a species or two then you can make a speech......maybe
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Additionally I have over 200 acres of forest ...just growing and churning out oxygen..half of which was replanted at my cost just so my descendants can enjoy it.
Geez PFM, you are a great guy...thanks for reminding me...I also own about 150 acres of bush...much of it original carolinean forest, but with thousands and thousands of trees that I planted many moons ago...with the assistance of my boy scout troop...where I taught them to light fires by rubbing two sticks together.
I think that between the two of us, we will save the planet indeed.
Oh yeah, I forgot, as well - I use an outhouse at the cottage...only till I get the septic system hooked up and get some indoor plumbing (coming soon).
p.s. For those that are interested, I am installing a geo-thermal heating system at my cottage (vertical loop)...I have a relative in the business. If you are considering it and you need to drill through your rock, let me know and I'll hook you up.
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I can certainly understand ones "needs" in the so called wilderness, from most of the lots here that are obvious city born...and raised.
Many of you have ruined "cottage" country, and our Canadian North this past generation by your selfish need of consumption.I also would go so far as Canadians north and from T.O have invested in "northern subdivisons" rather than having a more "holistic" approach to rural, or country get away.
I would suggest, the cottages or shacks of old, were poorly constructed, and indeed lack any practical thought or resources once "developed".
I'm fair from city born and raised.. although I live in the city now since it's more practical. Many owners in cottage country are in the same boat (pardon the pun).
You may think cottage country is ruined, but I beg to differ. Sure, some of it is overdeveloped and I've even seen non-motorized lakes in Haliburton overdeveloped as well with 60 foot lots full of trailers all around the lake.
I really don't see how a non-motorized lake is somehow more holistic. The non-motorized lakes that I've been to, 80% of the people are burning crap in firepits and burn barrels left and right. Dumping their sewage in questionable ways, and burning propane all day and night to stay warm in their non-insulated shacks or trailers.
To each their own I guess.. I like my seadoos.
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How did I know I was not the ONLY boy scout here????
Unfortunately; one needs to put things in perspective. Still.
Your all GUILTY!
I believe most of you wanta be "cottagers", for a reason. With all of the amenities of home. Be that T.O or North Bay - Costco Products.
Some just kind of affordable conscious, I guess. From the old boys!
But amateur forest rangers...NOT.
I still believe you believe in private property, and the right to "burn" the rights of others,
Especially Mr. PFM - diddy. Canadian rednecks are not my friends, with their junkyard attitudes, and Sammy Hagar 8 tracks, and Molson Canadian T-shirts.
But, I'm not stupid they can/will get you out of jam, up in near north.
Walk softly my friends.
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still believe you believe in private property
I absolutely believe in private property. The entire basis of our civilization is based on agriculture which can only be done on private land. ( or crown land using slaves whom you defeated in battle and will eventually sacrifice to please the sun god.. but apparently that is frowned upon today)
Without private land, we would not have farming. Without farming which started 8000 BC ( give or take a day or two ) we would still be nothing more then hunter gatherers and have absolutely no civilization. ( Of course if we were hunter gatherers still I would not have to waste my time writing on here, I could just bash you with a rock and the discussion would be over..hmmmm maybe the old days weren't so bad)
Starving in Africa...caused by NO PRIVATE LAND BEING FARMED. Desertification of Africa :caused by NO PRIVATE LAND BEING FARMED
The entire middle east was a cedar forest and was clear cut thousands of years ago. No one replanted as there was no owner of the land to do so at the time. Reforestation is ongoing in the middle east now in certain areas financed by emirs and private owners mostly ( It started in the fifties, Long before "charities")
If you believe that the masses of misinformed tree huggers will somehow protect the land you are sadly mistaken. Property owners protect the land, not misguided people who are being led around like sheep by greenpeace who simply cons them into becoming fundraisers.
There has never been a successful "communal" society ( Of course , on a evolutionary level , Jonestown was a success in cleaning the gene pool)
Forests and land are protected by the landowners as they are the only people who have interest in putting in the money and time to protect it. Is it evil to cut down a tree to build a house??..not if you replant it..that's renewable resources..That's true "green"
There is more forested land in North America today then there was 100 years ago and greenpeace hasn't planted any of it. Billions raised and not an acre saved by them . With the billions they scam out of people every year, they should be buying up land and giving it to the people ..
BS speeches and protests don't save the land ...Private owners do.
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Canadian rednecks are not my friends, with their junkyard attitudes, and Sammy Hagar 8 tracks, and Molson Canadian T-shirts.
I take exception to being called a redneck...that is truly a first for me.
However, I do have a Molson Canadian T-shirt (if that's what makes you a redneck), but like they say..."if the shirt fits - wear it" :-[
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I believe most of you wanta be "cottagers", for a reason. With all of the amenities of home. Be that T.O or North Bay - Costco Products.
Some just kind of affordable conscious, I guess. From the old boys!
But amateur forest rangers...NOT.
I still believe you believe in private property, and the right to "burn" the rights of others,
Especially Mr. PFM - diddy. Canadian rednecks are not my friends, with their junkyard attitudes, and Sammy Hagar 8 tracks, and Molson Canadian T-shirts.
But, I'm not stupid they can/will get you out of jam, up in near north.
Walk softly my friends.
Much of this posting seems to have no context or clear meaning.. but I still feel the need to respond.
What's wrong with having a cottage with amenities? I spend virtually all of my "fun time" at the cottage in the summer. So would it make sense to have my good kitchen, hottub, and jet boat at my home in the city? I don't think so. My cottage is actually nicer than my primary residence, and I wouldn't have it any other way. I don't need amenities to survive through the winter.. just satellite TV so that I can watch the weather channel until the snow melts.
I don't see the debate over private property.. who isn't for property rights? (other than a couple people in Cuba)
BTW, I love the junkyard attitude of the rednecks I know. I actually learn from them at times. Last year a redneck guy I know had the front door on his house break off the hinges. So the guy calculated that a sheet of plywood and some nails would be alot cheaper than buying a new door and hardware... so he boarded up his front door and has been using the side door on his house every since. Pretty smart.. eh?
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I absolutely believe in private property
I would like to believe in private property, but I think it is a bit of a myth. After I pay my taxes I feel like I am paying rent. Maybe we are all really long term lease holders. We all know what happens if we don't pay taxes... our property is sold from under us to some greedy tax sale b@$tr*d.
Actually I agree with those that are for having comforts in cottage country. My family has had the same cottage for 78 years. It has remained unchanged except for the added furnace and additional out buildings and a little insulation here and there [not enough]. I don't know what my late 80s parents would do without satellite TV.
I don't know a lot about the politics of Green Peace, but they have brought green issues to the headlines and made many people think about the planet and the consequences of their actions.
As a red/green neck once said " Hey, we are all in this together. Keep your stick on the ice"
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PFM-diddy - is going on about how "great" private property is throughout history, but fortunately (I) we are in the here and now.
And the here and now - we have or will have 7- 9 billion (that's with a "B") souls on the planet not a few hundred thousand "hunter gathers", as you seem to base most of your naive argument on....
What does your "theory" have to do with one respecting the land we have now, crown land or private or the natural habitate that sustains, contributes to the well being of us all?
The near north wanta be types here, are obviously in agreement that the traditional cottage country is dead. I am sure the 400 or 69 is busier, wider because of you all.
The "right" to have as much house, toys and consumption as possible (NOW or going forward) to 12 Billion is your "Private RIGHT".
Maybe that's why we have governments to make rules for the "general public" instead of leaving all to the "private sector"? Go figure!
Seems an uninteresting life to only consume, show off, or the greed to do what you want when you want...is what I am against, and especially in near north! Its our last nature.
I see nothing here more than the sme old, same old...T.V's, video games and jet ski's thrills land consumption by despot rulers. Ones that no little about the rest of the world, or history.
Very sad.
Just stay away from the near north, and near me - do you bidding in T.O.
OK Frank - you seem like a good, reasonable soul. Please go ahead & wear your Molson Canadian shirt. Without the beer belly on the dock, - only at night.
Please the ladies will thank me.
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OK Frank - you seem like a good, reasonable soul. Please go ahead & wear your Molson Canadian shirt. Without the beer belly on the dock, - only at night.
Please the ladies will thank me.
Phew, I thought I was dammned for all of eternity.
I'm workingo n the beer belly, and my wife won't let me be seen in public with a speedo until it has disappeared.
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"so he boarded up his front door and has been using the side door on his house every since. Pretty smart.. eh?"
Yeah, until he has a fire and the way out is boarded up.
"the beer belly, and my wife won't let me be seen in public with a speedo until it has disappeared"
The beer belly, or the Speedo? Oh, the horror of it all!
There really are no property rights in Canada; in the end, you do only rent the land and get your deposit back. That's why you see the OFA signs on farms, that say "BACK OFF, GOVERNEMENT, THIS IS OUR LAND!" Make no mistake about it, if gov't wants your land, it's theirs, but the points in regard to private ownership are well taken.
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You are correct about the crowns right of expropriation at fair market value..Without it nothing would be built as there would always be an a--hole who who blackmail the government on every road , rail or crown project. They do have to pay you fair market and they usually end up paying 15 to 20% above the market.
OFA signs on farms, that say "BACK OFF, GOVERNEMENT, THIS IS OUR LAND!"
Actually those signs arent from the OFA, they are the Ontario landowners association , A collection of rednecks who oppose clean water act, oppose the pesticide act, oppose the endangered species act, oppose the greenbelt oppose everything (except for farm grants)
They want the right to subdivide their land at will. want the right to graze 10000 head of cattle beside a river without storage tanks for the manure , want the right to use illegal pesticides , want the right to starve animals., want the right to clear cut forests..( which they do on mass and then call it a "protest") want the right to mine without permits, want the right to ignore health and safety laws..etc etc
Check their website out ....Redneck central http://ruralrevolution.com/website/index.php?option=com_content&task=section&id=144&Itemid=219 (http://ruralrevolution.com/website/index.php?option=com_content&task=section&id=144&Itemid=219)
As a landowner in this province..these self serving scum disgust me and all legitimate farmers who actually obey laws
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PFM - You seem a little steamed, about the right of farmers to organize?
Ontario Farmers Association OFA - http://www.ofa.on.ca/site/home.asp
As one who seems to believe in "private enterprise" and the rights of private property or private landowners, I believe OFA would qualify.
I also have noticed they support water conservation and more importatntly a recently annoucced bi-mass environmental initative. In other word, spent corn, soy and manure, even bio mass organic's - can now be used on small to large farms to create natural gas for electrical production. Incentives to build a bio-mass facility (inwhich the Germans/Denmark) have been doing for 20 years, to produce bio-gas are now available in Canada.
Landfill, CO2 release into the atmosphere will be lessened by this initative. Electrical / power needs will be used directly by the farmer and/or allowed to be put into the public grid for a small rebate per cent/kw hour, and a maximum amount limited to be allow into the grids "current electrical grid capacity restrictions".
I would suggest these rural "farmers" whom put food on your table everyday- are thank goodnessin a better position now, to help lower their small farm expenses, reduce their/our CO2 footprint while helping maintaining an "essential service" for the general public.
The family owned small farm "business" hopefully will be more competitive against the large multinational Monsanto's of the world, that work to destroy small family farms, that are more environmentally friendly, ecologically more sustainable, and frankly a more important resource in this country (as in many countries) than Montsanto or any Bay Street Financial Analysis, or a luxury boat or car salesman that you or I ever need.
I would suggest you support local farmers, and their right to "private enterprise"
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The OFA is fine( I'm a member) Ontario Landowners Association .. is a totally different group Please try to keep up..http://ruralrevolution.com/website/index.php?option=com_content&task=section&id=144&Itemid=219 (http://ruralrevolution.com/website/index.php?option=com_content&task=section&id=144&Itemid=219)
One problem with your BIO MASS ..All the material that is usually returned to the soil is burned up in cars or generators..So guess what..Nitrogen has to be purchased from Union Carbide ...Who makes it from natural gas.. end of the day it doesn't work and union carbide and Monsanto make a pile more money , a few farmers scam some nice little grants ( as it is not economically feasible ) and the pollution piles on deeper but we feel better ( sort of like a hybrid..doesn't actually work to stop pollution but we feel better)
It can only be sustainable under a system of proper crop rotation and Nitrogen free farming..and Monsanto and Union carbide wont allow that to happen. Additionally it will force the cost of food up just like the botched ethanol fiasco.
Synthetic diesel from biomass produced using the Fischer-Tropsch method is being used and tested worldwide and looks very viable however somehow I don't see Exxon allowing it. ( Very big in Nordic states that have massive forests)
The system was invented by Nazi's during WWII and reborn by South Africans during aparthied years. It produces synthetic diesel from any biomass and is substantially better product then Bio diesel (which is essentially crap, might as well use vegetable oil) . Since it works using any biomass, you can use forestry by product and fast growth trees (bamboo, Poplar etc) to fuel the machines . No nitrogen inputs are required and the whole system is carbon neutral if you use plants and the growing plants absorb carbon till we burn them and the process begins again.
Of course the coal miners want to use coal to create the fuel ( as the south Africans are doing) and oil companies want to use natural gas to make it.. so we still have a massive pollution problem if we make coal gas or natural gas based diesel.
As per Monsanto, They dont want to destroy the small farmer..They simply want the small farmer ( and the planet) to become addicted to Monsanto patented products.. ( which they have very successfully done, 80 % of the worlds soy and corn crops are under Monsanto patent)
Incase anyone doesn't know how this works..all hybrid seeds are sterile so the farmer must buy seeds every year from Monsanto instead of retaining part of last years crop for seed. Farmer gets to work even less ( dont get me started) and Monsanto gets control and money.
In case you didn't know 80% of the soy and almost 100% of the corn crops in Canada is Genetically modified (GM) and they dont have to tell us unlike Europe who requires disclosure so very little GM is grown.
Amazing how Monsanto's patent on Glysophate (roundup) has expired, and they now have conned people into using roundup ready (GM) corn and soy, which has lead to weeds becoming immune to Glysophate, Which means Monsanto can now introduce another weed killer and have another 20 years of patent protection and guaranteed revenue...Amazing how that works isn't it
However Monsanto is not entirely evil, Their research has resulted in massive crop yield increases ( 2 and 3 times) and literally has saved billions from starving. We can feed the world because of them..Mind you they have gone too far..Thanks for the wheat..but I really dont want a GM non bruising tomato that has no flavor and can be transported from Mexico to Canada. Thanks to them India is a food exporting nation ( mind you small farmers are killing themselves because Monsanto and Union Carbide make all the money and they make none) The yield increases are great but the sterile plant is a scam which will lead to monsanto literally controlling world food supply
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PFM -
Interesting stuff about Montsanto - but in the end they are evil, and frankly the world is better off without their GM seeds. (period)
And yes, you CAN buy NON Monsanto seeds, heritage seeds etc.
YOU just choose not to for economic reasons - alone.
You are obvious not a certified organic farmer. You use "mass" farming ways, with heavy equipment and pesticides.
And I hesitate to say this - but why are you not moving away from Montsanto? Is it NOT your business?
Especially; if your morals (and arguments here) suggest Monsanto is not your "best partner". I don't get it?
I frankly; cannot understand how in the world you could agree with the argument that Monsanto's only "so called benefit" to the public, is having increased food production (short term) This does not benefit us AT ALL! Just you.
We DO NOT need more food - in N.A or Europe, we are fat enough!
Our "Subsidies" to farmers, also encourage to produce milk and wheat more than we need - (Europeans are throwing out millions of gallons every year!)
What we need is more evenl - "distribution of food". (NOT more food) And we certainly do not want just a - few massive farms as you suggest - in the world. That would be risky and highly STUPID.
What is a drought or deasese hits one or two of 4 mass farms???????? What do you do then?
And the reason Aftrica cannot feed itself, is NOT because it does not have "traditional knowledge" or farming skills, or history to do so...
On the contrary - they do a better job and are more sustainable with smaller farm production (long term) - than our massive, leanings in mechanized and Monsanto-ed "owned" "agri-business" in N.A (North America)
Africa has also been doing farming much longer than you or I.
The geo-political problems in Africa are the ONLY reasons they cannot feed their populations. i.e war and drought and HIV aids.
Our "Subsidies", also encourage to over produce milk and wheat (every year Europeans are throwing out millions of gallons of milk!)
So, that's farming is it?
We ALSO do not know long term issues with such products...although round up we do! Why do you think every municipality in the country has banded lawn spraying???
Lastly; I think your Bio- gas info is again not accurate when it comes to Biogas: (And we are not speaking of ethanol)
Biogas is a combustible fuel which is produced through the Anaerobic Digestion process.
Anaerobic means ?in the absence of oxygen?. There are many families of methane-producing bacteria.
These bacteria produce biogas in the fourth stage of a complex microbiological process. In the right set of circumstances, the organic fraction of liquid or solid biomass can be converted into valuable fuel.
Biogas consists of roughly 40 % ? 70% methane, with the rest being CO2. There are also trace amounts of H2O and H2S produced by the microbiological process. The amount of methane in the biogas is largely a function of the organic input menu.
Worldwide AD/Biogas History:
Anaerobic Digestion occurs naturally, such as in bogs or in ruminant animals. The process of putting organic material into a sealed vessel, removing the oxygen, and thereafter producing biogas has been documented in parts of China and parts of India already 50 years ago.
In parts of Europe,most notably in Switzerland and in the U.K., bench-scale and small-scale digesters were being constructed in the early 1970?s.
Anaerobic Digester/biogas technology has grown exponentially since then.
It is now used for both wastewater treatment and for energy generation. In Western Europe, there are now about 5,000 Anaerobic Digester installations. In Germany alone, there are roughly 4,000 installations, with the total installed power generation capacity of 1,000 MW.
Anaerobic bioconversion is one of many strategies towards a sustainable economy.
In some countries such as Austria, Germany, and Switzerland, vast amounts of organic by-products are converted to biogas in Anaerobic Digesters.
They do three things:
1) They produce "locally" - natural methane that can be converted to electricity. (Locally)
2) They utilize local corn, soya spent materials (unsaleable materials), manure and mostly restaurant oils (that would be normally spent, thrown into landfil)
3) They generate 1000MW - that is used by local "smaller" farms, that is sustianable, and does not add to any natural occuring CO2 immisions.
4) Adds power to the grid so that no other forms of electrical production is required. i.e nuke, dams or coal burning facilities.
This overall cost effective and Co2 neutral method - saves money for the farmer, the general public for atomic plants, and has not long term effect or costs associated with ANY other power generation facilities.
They may not be able to power/sustain a large gas, electrical user. But, for a smaller farm they are an excellent alternative to coal, atomic or hydro dams.