Ontario Tax Sale Property Forum
Tax Sale Forum => Announcements => Topic started by: Dave2 on January 07, 2012, 04:05:47 PM
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Boy Rob is quick off the mark this morning.
I guess he has decided to get everyone out of hibernation or to wake them up from the aftermath of new years.
I might even have to get out the hunting gun given location of some of them particularly as G2020 is in the deep south and may not notice the game in one of his favourite hunting territories. ;D
I also sense Netpred's hand in one as he obviously wants to use it as an excuse to collect overdue beer accounts. :'(
Unfortunately some of the others just confirm the continuing economic devastation in Marathon which happens when your major industry shuts down.
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I think that we tend to take Rob's excellent work for granted. We should all thank Rob for his efforts in running this free website.
As far as OTS goes, funny how it is now 4:15 pm and not a sighting of any of these listings. Also, still no featured properties. Oh well, maybe some of the best things in life are free after all and sometimes you don't get what you pay for - actually, get nothing for what is paid for.
Thanks Rob, keep up the great work in 2012.
Boy Rob is quick off the mark this morning.
I guess he has decided to get everyone out of hibernation or to wake them up from the aftermath of new years.
I might even have to get out the hunting gun given location of some of them particularly as G2020 is in the deep south and may not notice the game in one of his favourite hunting territories. ;D
I also sense Netpred's hand in one as he obviously wants to use it as an excuse to collect overdue beer accounts. :'(
Unfortunately some of the others just confirm the continuing economic devastation in Marathon which happens when your major industry shuts down.
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I think that we tend to take Rob's excellent work for granted. We should all thank Rob for his efforts in running this free website.
Thanks Rob, keep up the great work in 2012.
I second this great idea and think we should all show our appreciation by raising his plus karma score to a level equivalent to this gentleman 8) who deservedly enjoys his lofty status. I will make my contribution right now and encourage others to do the same.
One vote per participant. Lets see if we can exceed 100 for Rob by the end of the month. I will let Netpred be the accountant because he is good at keeping score with all the beers he wins from me.
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First unfortunately Cobourg listing has been designated Environmentally Controlled and floodplain to boot since 1988. So for most of us sounds like bad news. >:(
Checked with both official plan and Cobourg Planning.
I guess I will be the only one to benefit from this as I am sure this type of property will keep Netpred by the fire and I am safe from paying my beer debts for another month. ;D
Even with Netpred's ability to turn water into wine; I doubt if he can pull a rabbit out of the hat on this one. (If he can turn the water into this drink he might succeed given the
enthic background of the planning staff; http://www.themacallan.com/home.aspx)
On the most important part of this post lets work to get Rob's karma score up there. We are still 23 short of the 100 we need by month end. What we don't realize is how well he is organizing towns with their information. Don't believe me take a look at Madoc's website. ;)
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I use to love when they released the listings Friday at 5pm in the summer one year.
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I use to love when they released the listings Friday at 5pm in the summer one year.
Board keep up good work to get Rob to karma levels he deserves. 5 down and only 18 to go.
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Number 1 will redeem (anyone up for a bet?).
Number 2 cannot be developed - far too small.
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What is your inside info??? I was planning this to be my "end of the world" sanctuary / recreational property. ;)
I have never seen a municipality say "There is a dwelling on the property which is presently occupied NOTE ? this is private property"
Kind of got the feeling this guy was a little crazy, sitting on his front porch with a shotgun.
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Maybe I own the property ;D. Maybe I have a big gun ;D.
My first thought was that the municipality was simply being polite in giving the warning, but based on the location, the road in, my knowledge of the locals and the wording of the warning, I suspect that the property is occuppied by the product of a closed environment if you catch my drift. If you don't, watch any of the following movies:
1. Deliverance;
2. Texas (Madoc?) Chainsaw Massacre; or
3. Wong Turn (1, 2, 3 or Beginnings)
So, ignore my advice, bid and win, then show up to evict the three brothers. I would like front row seats.
So Dave, any takers?
What is your inside info??? I was planning this to be my "end of the world" sanctuary / recreational property. ;)
I have never seen a municipality say "There is a dwelling on the property which is presently occupied NOTE ? this is private property"
Kind of got the feeling this guy was a little crazy, sitting on his front porch with a shotgun.
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What is your inside info??? I was planning this to be my "end of the world" sanctuary / recreational property. ;)
I have never seen a municipality say "There is a dwelling on the property which is presently occupied NOTE ? this is private property"
Kind of got the feeling this guy was a little crazy, sitting on his front porch with a shotgun.
Reminds of the Bradford site visit experience a few years ago that Dave2 has been teasing me about. Lucky like me to have 2 pretty ladies to come along ;). People tend to be nicer when there are girls around. Have fun bidding to everyone!
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Number 1 will redeem (anyone up for a bet?).
Number 2 cannot be developed - far too small.
1. In this business sometimes you have to take a long term view. If you are going to
buy a remote tax sale property, its better to have a use for it. Coincidentally I have
to head for the Toronto this morning airport to meet some builders from Timmins
about some out of this world property in Cochrane that this guy 8) made some
interesting remarks on a couple of years ago. Seems like they have the problems
referred to in this article at the end.
2. For example everyone knows what happens to me when I have a bet with Netpred.
>:( so I will pass on a bet with him on this tax sale. Maybe I should do something
about it.
3. For example the advantage of bidding for property number 2 is that no one else will
bid on it because it is so small. Everyone will think ???
4. In my case I could to use it to solve my Netpred problem by relocating a neighbouring town structure.
http://twp.tweed.on.ca/thetweedjailhousec23.php
My only problem is that I have to have it rezoned to Institutional and get the key? Any suggestions, maybe I have to borrow some pretty girls.
I make mistakes too. The last time this town (Madoc) had an interesting tax sale it included a quarry which one of our members bought and I passed on. Maybe I made a mistake because haven't heard tfrom that guy lately and I wonder if he made out like a bandit as suggested by this Kijjiji ad.
http://ontario.kijiji.ca/c-real-estate-land-for-sale-Natuaral-Stone-Quarry-Zoned-property-W0QQAdIdZ336103755
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If you don't, watch any of the following movies:
1. Deliverance;
2. Texas (Madoc?) Chainsaw Massacre; or
3. Wong Turn (1, 2, 3 or Beginnings)
So, ignore my advice, bid and win, then show up to evict the three brothers. I would like front row seats.
So Dave, any takers?
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Netpred:
You are making the assumption that the owner is of our species. Consider the alternative
belief. (I have provided a footprint picture for you).
Rather then fooling around moving the Tweed jail; maybe I should let nature take its course although with my luck I will find that (he?, She?, it?) is a beer lover and comes after me to collect your debts after you bribe it. ;D
Of more serious concern if for some unforseen reason this property does not redeem; is that the real world nemisis of mine "bigfoot" which you can read about in some earlier posts of mine considers this area as part of his hunting territory. I have competed against him in the past in this area and got my clock cleaned as normally happens with him. My batting average against him is still well less then .100
He will not let one like this go by for sure but I agree with you it will redeem.
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Hopefully Netpred is still in the Christmas spirit and will gracefully bow out of this one. After all if he gets any more land he will have to elect his own Members of Provincial Parliament and we will end up with another province call "Netpredsland". I'm going to hold my hopes up, and believe I will catch a break and this guy will not redeem (highly unlikely). Besides how big an area can one guy have to hunt in, everything north of highway #7? ;)
P.S. I only got 97 more Karma points till I hit 100!!! How about some love. :D
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You are confusing me with Waltersland.
You don't have to worry about me - I'm just a big talker. The real players don't talk too much for pretty obvious reasons.
I am out on this one because I don't want to end up on some kitchen table as dinner. The risk of ending up this way increases significantly north of Hwy 7. I suppose that's why Dave is still alive and kicking. He has his area and sticks to it.
Now you need only 95 karma, but don't call it love - so very wrong in this context.
Hopefully Netpred is still in the Christmas spirit and will gracefully bow out of this one. After all if he gets any more land he will have to elect his own Members of Provincial Parliament and we will end up with another province call "Netpredsland". I'm going to hold my hopes up, and believe I will catch a break and this guy will not redeem (highly unlikely). Besides how big an area can one guy have to hunt in, everything north of highway #7? ;)
P.S. I only got 97 more Karma points till I hit 100!!! How about some love. :D
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You don't have to worry about me - I'm just a big talker. The real players don't talk too much for pretty obvious reasons.
I am out on this one because I don't want to end up on some kitchen table as dinner. The risk of ending up this way increases significantly north of Hwy 7. I suppose that's why Dave is still alive and kicking. He has his area and sticks to it.
Hopefully Netpred is still in the Christmas spirit and will gracefully bow out of this one. After all if he gets any more land he will have to elect his own Members of Provincial Parliament and we will end up with another province call "Netpredsland". I'm going to hold my hopes up, and believe I will catch a break and this guy will not redeem (highly unlikely). Besides how big an area can one guy have to hunt in, everything north of highway #7? ;)
Netpred:
If you are only a big talker how come you always win beer from me ????
TO THE REST OF THE READERS:
IN ALL SERIOUSNESS I DO NOT GO ONTO OCCUPIED PROPERTY AS IT IS TOO RISKY.
NETPRED IS CORRECT AND DO NOT TAKE THE REST OF THIS POST THAT FOLLOWS SERIOUSLY.
If I only stick to my home "hunting" territory how come I was worrrying about Cochrane yesterday. Like most of the wolves on this board if there is a suitable property we can expand our territory. In this specific case I honestly don't know because I will wait a MONTH and see if It has redeemed, if not then I MAY take a look.
Out of the goodness of my heart and the promise that if the strategy I next propose does not work, I will toast the beers I owe you at your wake that I and the rest of the board will hold TO HONOUR YOUR PASSING. ;D
1. Follow Jayz's suggestions. but if you see antiaircraft guns to shoot down helicopters turnaround and leave because they likely grow green plants and may think you are after their stash.
2. Check with PFM and see if he can loan you some of his summer boat ornaments preferrably; one blonde and one brunette. Promise them you will buy them some new clothes.
3. First a a tight sweater; (This strategy works best if as the legal profession says the "assets" are unemcumbered")
4. Second buy them some ski pants that are tight. To check the fit.
5. Next ask them to put a dime in the rear pocket of the ski pants.
6. Walk back a hundred yards and ask to check the dime outline. If you can make out the year of the dime in the rear pocket from 100 yeards the pants are tight enough. If not select pants that are tight enough that you can see the year ;D
(Remember to keep the receipt for your accountant to use as a business expense) ;)
7. Wait for a day like today with a bad snowstorm. You and the "accessories with new clothing" will go up to the location. When you hear all the big mean dogs barking and growling you have probably found the place.
8. Have a map with a line on it from Bellleville to North Bay. Claim you are lost and ask if you can come inside so the they show you the way. "if you hear the song that goes like "and they never returned ...... and their fate is still unknown" you know that I gave you bad advice.
9. Note this stategy works best the first time it is tried. I cannot vouch for your safety if you are second time person who tries this.
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IN ALL SERIOUSNESS I DO NOT GO ONTO OCCUPIED PROPERTY AS IT IS TOO RISKY.
That has always been my position. Getting occupants out....in winter...uhhg.
I turned down sweet heart deal in the Beach decades ago because the rooming house came occupied. Not to bad but 60 days notice for renters. A friend asked if I would have trouble sleeping. It haunted me enough to stay with unoccupied. That is just me ,if you want to go after negligent deadbeats go ahead. They should have sold and found a place they could afford.
Does anyone have experience with acquiring occupied properties? In this game that could be an interesting topic.
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IN ALL SERIOUSNESS I DO NOT GO ONTO OCCUPIED PROPERTY AS IT IS TOO RISKY.
That has always been my position. Getting occupants out....in winter...uhhg.
Does anyone have experience with acquiring occupied properties? In this game that could be an interesting topic.
Like in my last post parody I have always wondered if I was a fearless beautiful young lady if it would help me in this business particularly with this type of situation. I actually met her a few years ago when I tried to see if people from this forum would come to a meeting and she was one of the few who showed up. Beauty and brains in one package but alas I misplaced her address.
There are several problems with occupied properties not just with the challenge of the occupants. First remember one of the golden rules of this business "Do not contact the owner" who is likely to be the occupant.
Seriously ask yourself a question? "How does one make a legal ??? living in the wilds of Hastings County?" and Netpred's Deliverance maybe closer then you think. There maybe serious personal risks that you do not want to face.
Just getting to the bid winning stage is also a major problem; because occupied means building structure and it is likely that a significant portion of the tax sale property is in the structure. It is pretty hard to value it if you never can look at it.
I have had major serious arguments with members of this board including some very knowledgble senior ones both in public and private on the costs of rehabilitating structures. You really cannot be sure until you are inside which you cannot get into without the co-operation of the occupant.
More importantly in this case it looks like you are dealing with a bigger piece of property and a look from the property boundary may not tell you a lot about the structures. At least in your Toronto reference case you can be close enough to the structure from the lot line to give an indication.
Even if you get the property you have major post sale issues with the occupant which I will let others comment on.
I joke about members of this board being wolves and using the analogy its like a wolf trying to kill a bull moose in the rutting season with a full head of antlers. It is real risky
unless you do it right and part of my approach is not in the public domain.
In my home hunting territory I will look at this type of property but I have never got one or come close. That is because I bid in a way that is no risk to me.
For a beer bet Mr. Nepred with your usual odds how do I do it? Assume normal legal checks etc. indicate everything is okay.
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The good Madoc property will probably be seen, with hindsight, as the best tax sale property in all of 2012. But alas, just like the good Smithville house was arguably the best tax sale property in 2011, the good ones always get redeemed - some before the sale, some after. In tax sales you only have two choices. There is either something wrong with the owner, or there is something wrong with the property. In Madoc you can bid on the footprint size property measuring 45x65. Alternatively, you can take a shot at the best property of the year, having about a half mile of frontage on Island Road, a gorgeous self contained lake (at least bigger than most things they call lakes here in Florida), and a house located in the middle of 147 beautifully wooded acres. It is assessed at $338,379.00. Of course it will likely be paid off, just like all the good ones last year. The choice is yours. You can either take a shot at the 45x65 piece of junk, or investigate the good one and have it take a shot at you. Happy hunting and Happy New Year ;)
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So how many of you have ever searched for work orders? If you think that I am wrong on this, have a read of this true story:
http://taxsaleproperty.org/forum/index.php?topic=1161.0
Netpred:
I am going to let the cat out of the bag because you are close to the true response to my questions but at this point I will withdraw your ability to bet.
Assuming the building is in a condition as in the reference article; how do I avoid being victimized? Or should I claim that you already lost and claim my winnings. ;D
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Searching for work orders is not always as simple as just paying at the municipal office for the search. In Cornwall, for instance, they wait until your deed is registered and then send out the inspector and load it up with work orders. I had two houses there that were clean at the time of sale and then as soon as I got title the fire Marshall and building inspector had a list a mile long. I know of another tax sale purchaser who had the same problem in Cornwall. This is just one more reason why you cannot pay market value at a tax sale.
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Nasty work by the municipality in G2020's case. Still, a search of work orders is a must. If the municipality shows up for an inspection after registration of a tax deed you should phone a lawyer (remember, only a competent and ethical one) immediately to determine your rights and obligations and the right of the municipality, if any, to enter and inspect. Do not ever make the mistake that the municipality is your friend and will help you if you play ball with them. SPEAK TO A LAWYER!
I don't know anything about this property. But there is no way that if the building is at all decent will the owner let it go. It will redeem. If it is junk, or a grow house (yes, these have been bought before), watch the sh&t hit the fan after the sale.
So G2020, if it is the best buy, it will redeem, if it does not redeem, it is not the best buy and the winner should expect big problems.
So Dave, I'm thirsty.
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Searching for work orders is not always as simple as just paying at the municipal office for the search. In Cornwall, for instance, they wait until your deed is registered and then send out the inspector and load it up with work orders. I had two houses there that were clean at the time of sale and then as soon as I got title the fire Marshall and building inspector had a list a mile long. I know of another tax sale purchaser who had the same problem in Cornwall. This is just one more reason why you cannot pay market value at a tax sale.
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The good Madoc property will probably be seen, with hindsight, as the best tax sale property in all of 2012. There is either something wrong with the owner, or there is something wrong with the property. Alternatively, you can take a shot at the best property of the year, having about a half mile of frontage on Island Road, a gorgeous self contained lake (at least bigger than most things they call lakes here in Florida), and a house located in the middle of 147 beautifully wooded acres. ;)
G2020:
First I want to say that I am really glad to hear from you and hope you are recovering well. I hope that PFM has given you a good supply of accessories and they have a lot less clothing then Netpred's given the warmer weather. I look forward to the honour of treating you with some overdue Timbits I owe you when you return to the cold and snow after it disappears.
I hope you are well enough that we will meet in combat again and I will of course lose but that is what happens when we come up against the alpha wolf. Maybe I should concentrate on something easy like betting for beers against Netpred.
That said; onto business. I think you are at least a month too early to call this a good tax sale. The due date for bids is the 22nd of February; A month from now is when we should start to do our investigation. IF you are still in Florida and want to do a long distance bid; you may have to advance that date slightly.
There are exceptions; such if I am driving to Ottawa and can save 3 hours of driving because I have to do it anyways; except the part north of highway 7, but they are the exception not the rule.
Netpred no beer on this one. My strategy is that for ones like this one I assign no value to the building, only to the land. Yes I am too low on a lot but the ones I win I don't have to worry about because I have a reserve; and of course in this business I prefer pleasant surprises not unpleasant ones.
This is particulary true in North Hastings county townships. Cornwall is not the only site where things happen that make you wonder. I am not saying it is this one in particular but I know of a couple of situations including one that happened to me personally that make you wonder.
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There is a lot of innuendo and underlying currents in this thread that I'm not getting and that's fine....I'm a rookie. Just don't take me chiming in here as laying a wager (I covet my beer to much).?just offering my 2cent on the Madoc area.
It's interesting that just a few lots west of the one where you could bid on and:
- Get shot
- Buy a grow-op
- Or become Ned Beatty
A few large chunks of land have recently sold or come up for sale. I'm not saying this is like that....but it is an interesting area and it's proximity to large urban centers makes it attractive as well as it's "rich" (poor choice I know) history.
Longyear (I hope it wasn't wrong to use this companies name as some here are sensitive about names being thrown around?) www.jmlongyear.com purchased a large track of land (1200+ acres) for many Millions??allegedly.
There is also a large chunk just west of Longyear up for sale www.realtor.ca/propertyDetails.aspx?propertyId=11046861&PidKey=-1356463688
Apparently the ?Rush? back to Eldorado is on! At least it's not as far as Cochrane and the Detour Site. Now we just have to find out who/ or what Jr. Mining company is going to go for it? I'm not sure Longyear is into mining that much.
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There is a lot of innuendo and underlying currents in this thread that I'm not getting and that's fine....I'm a rookie. Just don't take me chiming in here as laying a wager (I covet my beer to much).?just offering my 2cent on the Madoc area.
A few large chunks of land have recently sold or come up for sale. I'm not saying this is like that....but it is an interesting area and it's proximity to large urban centers makes it attractive as well as it's "rich" (poor choice I know) history.
Jima:
Before you get too excited about this area Its history has a darker side; one of the worst environmental disasters in Ontario (caused by Arsenic and Radon). If you use the search function
on this website sometimes you find some interesting things; Like what PFM or myself wrote a couple of years ago. First the update since we wrote about it and then the original posts.
http://www.ene.gov.on.ca/environment/en/local/deloro_mine_site_cleanup_project/index.htm
My Original One: Gracious:
Just a warning to you and everyone on the property north of highway 7 close to the Madoc / Marmora townline. Just to the Northwest of this site is one of the most contaminated sites in Ontario the Infamous Deloro Minesite which has some really nice things like arsenic and radon.
If you don't believe me the attached URL will give some background.
http://www.portalonline.org/Kristy/Artof_deloro/map.html
(I have highlighted the map section to help people see how close.)
If you drive along highway 7 around Madoc/Marmora you will see the high barbed wire fence from the road and warning signs. Not certain how close this is to the tax sale property but I would be sure to check it out before biding as well as water flows. This is really ugly stuff.
Dave2
PFM's Comments
wow...I knew Eldorado ( Cameco) has done a job on port hope..but this makes port hope look like a joke..This link really sums up the whole mess...
http://www.e-b-i.net/ebi/Deloro/articles/del980420.html
It certainly was nice of us to take stuff from Oakridge.. My favourite is the government sealed the mines with cement "so nobody would fall in" (sure they did!!)
What I dont get , what sort of morons would raise children there knowing full well that there is a danger..
Thanks Dave, I had no clue this existed and have looked for land south of there, Love Canal..bunch of amatuers ...very very nasty..
The cute part is the Goverment is not cleaning the site , simply sealing in clay....which always fails eventually Its safe because "tree roots dont penetrate 4 feet"
IF you check the real estate listing you notice it is on Deloro road. Of course a real estate agent would never over promise? would they? ;)
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I want to make a second post because Rob is a class act and I know he wants to have nothing to do with a subject like my last post.
Board:
We are 5 votes short of giving Rob his very worthwhile due; lets put a push on and finish the job.
He deserves it.
Dave2
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How do you take your coffee?. Double Double?..Double arsenic and Double radon?.I guess I'll be thinking twice when I stop for coffee at the Tim's at 7 and 62. I guess that is why you're an advanced member? I have wondered about the fencing along Hwy 7 west of 62? It's funny that there is a Conservation area just north of there?
Getting back to the tax sale land.....my comments were just some info on what I've seen in the area lately. I'm more looking for land closer to home, but what has been going on in the area is a little shocking. The tax sale land is fairly far north (I know it's not far for all the nice stuff at Deloro) $$$?s drive people to do crazy things and I'm sure if there was any money to be made on the resources of the area whatever needed to get done will or they will fake it. Again what else would one do in the back woods of Hastings? I'm also not sure Longyear would dump so much money into their site unless they are pretty sure of what they have (or they've made a big mistake). It's interesting for sure and I wonder what will go on?as others have said it will probably be redeemed anyway. Gold (or the hint of it) makes people do crazy things. Aren't you happy for that up in Cochrane?
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To Rob
Keep up the good work buddy. +1
To the chickens, your good buddy remington will make it a fair fight.
Cheers
Doug
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To Rob
Keep up the good work buddy. +1
Cheers Doug
First the important post, Rob right on ball again this morning (he must get up before the chickens) and we are only 2 votes short of magic 100.
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How do you take your coffee?. Double Double?..Double arsenic and Double radon?.
Getting back to the tax sale land.....my comments were just some info on what I've seen in the area lately. I'm more looking for land closer to home, but what has been going on in the area is a little shocking.
Jima:
I prefer double rum with my coffee; but Timmies does not stock it. ;D
I actually had hoped to swing by the tax sale property when I drove by on highway 7 back from Ottawa a couple of days ago, but it was snowing so hard I could not even see the fence you referrred to so I decided to wait and see what are developments. As I mentioned earlier we are still a couple of weeks too early before we normally start to get serious.
The Deloro property may or not impact the tax sale property directly as I have not looked closely by the origins of the Moira river flow north of Highway 7. Indirectly though it is important to people looking for a quck flip. All I wanted to do was give people a heads up, so it could be investigated in spite of DRD's dig at us chickens.
I support your look close to home strategy; because it is the one I also follow. Not certain how much you can read into the American investment in this area as they have been investing around North Hastings for a long time. For example an American company (by memory it may have been Sawyer Stone from Wisconsin) had lands from the early 1950's and owned the Tweed sawmill/ pallet plant; before Bill Tomlinson and a local partner bought it from them 25 -30 years ago.
Other information I have is private domain.
In any event Jima; you Netpred, and DRD (I owe him one from a couple of years ago), are probably safe from me on the North Madoc one. I just have too much on my plate most of which is not tax sale purchases that I have to put money into before selling.
I do not have infinite resources and while G2020 maybe right in his call, I don't like to bet everything on the first sale of the year. There will be more, particularly as an off board
resource has signaled there is something coming up that I maybe interested in.
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I use to love when they released the listings Friday at 5pm in the summer one year.
Rob:
I would just like to note that your Positive Karma is finally up to the minimum level I would consider acceptable given the great work you do. We appreciate it.
Thanks for all your tireless effort and the great work.
Dave2
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Good job Dave (and Rob)!
The reality is that this site is driven by a handful of contributors. I wish that more members would contribute. It has gotten to the point that our two largest contributors and most senior and knowledgable members are no longer significantly involved in this forum. Both Frank and PFM are responsible for building this site as much as Rob is.
I can honestly say that the best conversations occur by pm and those who contribute are often made party to those conversations. So people, don't be shy.
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Good job Dave (and Rob)!
The reality is that this site is driven by a handful of contributors. I wish that more members would contribute. It has gotten to the point that our two largest contributors and most senior and knowledgable members are no longer significantly involved in this forum. Both Frank and PFM are responsible for building this site as much as Rob is.
I can honestly say that the best conversations occur by pm and those who contribute are often made party to those conversations. So people, don't be shy.
Well Dave's gone and done it again...he's started an avalanche, and no one can stop it. 8)
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Both Frank and PFM are responsible for building this site as much as Rob is.
Without Frank the discussion forum would have never grown into anything like what it is today, without PFM the discussion wouldn't have continued in those early days. You should put yourself on the list... you are part of it all.
I have something new coming up shortly that will illustrate your point clearly.
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Kudoos to Rob - thank you for this site and all the beautiful people that are here. !!! I love the site. I am learning slowly but surely.
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The deloro cleanup is not a cleanup at all. It is a capping operation. The cost of cleanup was going to be hundreds of millions , if not a Billion plus ( 5000 tonnes of nuclear waste from Port Hope alone and mystery amount from Oakridge Tennessee) All this seems to have been lost in the cleanup details.
The government is stuck with the bill so it is now a " seal up the whole mess under clay and runaway". The leaching into the Moira river will be slowed but you are dreaming if you think it will stop. Also they are only filtering arsenic..and praying that the nuclear simply goes away and the cement caps on the mines hold. Its just a time bomb waiting for a flood or similar to flush a pile more into Moira lake..
Of course the weirdest thing is the local idiots keep cutting the fence and breaking into the property....This is the land of Dueling banjos ,junkers on the front lawn, lumberjack jackets and squealing like a pig and apparently some locals are too stupid to understand the purpose of Barbed wire around radioactive toxic sites .
As per the piece for taxsale..its north of the problem so no health issue ..It will redeem so don't waste any money on searches etc until a few days before and if it doesn't redeem ....good luck with the neighbours as the owner of the land owns at least 5 more pieces within 2000 ft and several adjacent. That doesn't include family pieces in the area. I would be guessing you might have some fun trying to occupy and secure the land. And you can forget leaving anything of value around.
You will simply be the a**hole tick from the city who stole uncle Dave's land
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This is the land of Dueling banjos ,junkers on the front lawn, lumberjack jackets and squealing like a pig and apparently some locals are too stupid to understand the purpose of Barbed wire around radioactive toxic sites .
..It will redeem so don't waste any money on searches etc until a few days before and if it doesn't redeem ....good luck with the neighbours as the owner of the land owns at least 5 more pieces within 2000 ft and several adjacent. That doesn't include family pieces in the area. I would be guessing you might have some fun trying to occupy and secure the land. And you can forget leaving anything of value around.
You will simply be the a**hole tick from the city who stole uncle Dave's land
Vintage PFM. I could not have said it clearer or better myself.
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The deloro cleanup is not a cleanup at all. It is a capping operation. The cost of cleanup was going to be hundreds of millions , if not a Billion plus ( 5000 tonnes of nuclear waste from Port Hope alone and mystery amount from Oakridge Tennessee) All this seems to have been lost in the cleanup details.
The government is stuck with the bill so it is now a " seal up the whole mess under clay and runaway". The leaching into the Moira river will be slowed but you are dreaming if you think it will stop. Also they are only filtering arsenic..and praying that the nuclear simply goes away and the cement caps on the mines hold. Its just a time bomb waiting for a flood or similar to flush a pile more into Moira lake..
Of course the weirdest thing is the local idiots keep cutting the fence and breaking into the property....This is the land of Dueling banjos ,junkers on the front lawn, lumberjack jackets and squealing like a pig and apparently some locals are too stupid to understand the purpose of Barbed wire around radioactive toxic sites .
As per the piece for taxsale..its north of the problem so no health issue ..It will redeem so don't waste any money on searches etc until a few days before and if it doesn't redeem ....good luck with the neighbours as the owner of the land owns at least 5 more pieces within 2000 ft and several adjacent. That doesn't include family pieces in the area. I would be guessing you might have some fun trying to occupy and secure the land. And you can forget leaving anything of value around.
You will simply be the a**hole tick from the city who stole uncle Dave's land
Thus makes it a tax sale.... Buyer Beware!
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You will simply be the a**hole tick from the city who stole uncle Dave's land
Wrong Dave
To stop any rumours land like this is potentially too valuable for poor guys like me (especially after I pay for all of Netpred's beer)
Must be my namesake Dave uno
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A few large chunks of land have recently sold or come up for sale. I'm not saying this is like that....but it is an interesting area and it's proximity to large urban centers makes it attractive as well as it's "rich" (poor choice I know) history.
Longyear (I hope it wasn't wrong to use this companies name as some here are sensitive about names being thrown around?) www.jmlongyear.com purchased a large track of land (1200+ acres) for many Millions??allegedly.
Here we go again. I suspect Netpred has powers that obviously I don't have and I am the poor puppet that has to supply him beer. >:( I guess we have to start getting serious and realistic about Madoc. As the Roman emperors said "let the games begin"
First Netpred: Your usual betting odds on whether it redeems or not? One of these days I have to win?
Next Jima:
My latest information is we are talking a little bigger scale then you identitified. Like more then one significant digit. Lets say up to 12,000 and hectares not acres and I would believe it given the numbers you mentioned (part by private post) but this is a little out of my league to put it mildly.
Possibly equivalent in land area to several townships. It depends on other things like timber value.
For example I believe they own over half of Lake township (Marmora's correct name is Marmora and Lake)
I believe Seller is Domtar paper. whose holdings used to supply their Trenton mill until it switched to a recycled process. This is a huge huge land holding.
Boy I wish I had that plot of land. Might be the biggest land sale in Ontario this year or even decade.
In my dreams make an interesting tax sale.
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Dave:
On this one I think that I have made my thoughts clear. As far as betting with you is concerned, I think that I will let you take a pass so that you don't get further into debt. ;D
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Dave:
On this one I think that I have made my thoughts clear. As far as betting with you is concerned, I think that I will let you take a pass so that you don't get further into debt. ;D
Netpred compassionate????
At first I couldn't believe my eyes? Then I remembered the date. Still too early for serious hunters. Like all smart organized hunters he sticks to mealtimes. Next Wednesday he might start changing his mind but at this point he can afford to appear to be generous and go back to sleep in the warm winter afternoon sun before the fire. Or maybe he is afraid that his winning streak will be finally broken.
The long wasted hours spent driving to last minute redemptions have a habit of training you particularly for rural properties. Realistically this property is 2.5 hours driving time one way from Toronto.
Board is too quiet because all the big players are down south, Maybe like attracting a shark(s) we have to add some blood to the water. ;D
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The long wasted hours spent driving to last minute redemptions have a habit of training you particularly for rural properties. Realistically this property is 2.5 hours driving time one way from Toronto.
That is the worst when one of these morons thinks it is funny to redeem at the last minute...It is simply a retarded loser who instead of being embarrassed by the fact he has been publically advertised as a roach, and has lost his "war against the taxman" (OK everyone chant ruby ridge, ruby ridge) .. turns it around and convinces himself that he is not a loser but a smart rebel who showed all us vultures trying to steal his land and taught the taxman ( of course the fact he is paying double the taxes doesn't sink in) ... I have been to several openings where douchebags...yes that what you are if you don't pay your tax for over 4 years... actually redeem 15 minutes before..they literally sat in their car and rubbed their hands as they watched the people come to the opening
They literally turn this around from them being to blame for not paying taxes..to them winning a battle against the evil scum trying to steal their land..They also dont blame the city for selling..they blame you for buying
I would die of embarassment if my house was advertised for taxsale....lets just tell the whole town that you dont pay your bills.. I would think that would stick to you for years and years
Might as well just have a sheriffs sale re suit of citi bank
I will not be surprised if Madoc is a redeemed within hours of the opening as he teaches us "ticks from the city" a lesson
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Board is too quiet because all the big players are down south, Maybe like attracting a shark(s) we have to add some blood to the water. ;D
Honey, I'm home. What's for dinner...Madoc you say, yuck...give me something that won't cost me a fortune in losses when it gets redeemed after I've gone through a lot of trouble...been there, done that. 8)
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all this talk makes me think that everyone is interested :)... See you all at the opening
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Ever since I joined (former lurker), I've been reading almost every day, without a thought about awarding karma, but, prompted by Dave2's posting, I've now found it to be quite fun! What did surprise me was how long it took to see Rob over the 100. I think there must be a number of members who, like me formerly, just don't understand the significance of the "applaud" underneath the poster's name.
Good on ya, Rob, Frank, Dave2, PFM, & many others; I will remember to be generous with my kudos from now on.
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all this talk makes me think that everyone is interested :)... See you all at the opening
Baller:
If you really want to make money on this tax sale; I have a suggestion after having driven by it yesterday because I had a business trip to Ottawa.
1) Buy yourself a tow truck; equipped with a full set of chains; studded winter tires and a dump on the back full of sand and four wheel drive.
2) Station yourself at the corner of Bannockburn and highway 62 (highway between Madoc and Bancroft)
3) Bannockburn is sheer ice between 62 and the road that goes by the tax sale property.
4) Ask for a suitable towing rate to all the Toronto drivers who want to visit the property.
5) Retire rich. I figure from each visitor you should get an average of a half dozen tows.
Seriously guys and girls don't visit this one unless you are properly prepared for winter driving;
My accomplice had his four wheel drive on full time as he tried to go over Bannockburn and Island road had lots of sand in back and it was a bastard to drive.
Not much to see from road other then typical Haliburton. One thing I did notice for the first time ever in a tax sale; an electic fence surrounds the property that might give an indication that visitors are not welcome. More later after I check something.
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One thing I did notice for the first time ever in a tax sale; an electic fence surrounds the property that might give an indication that visitors are not welcome. More later after I check something.
Dave my friend, you are once again mistaken. The electric fence is not to keep people out, but to keep people in. Anyone for dinner?
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; an electic fence surrounds the property that might give an indication that visitors are not welcome. More later after I check something.
Madoc Council 6 Dec 2004 Blackburn - that letters be sent to Mr. David ******* of Cooper requesting that he remove the electric fence from the edge of Bailey Road or move it back further from the edge of the road.
I found that earlier and thought they meant horse fence..apparently not.....ok everyone chant.. Ruby Ridge Ruby Ridge and of course..... This land is our land ..back off government
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This land is our land ..back off government
First this thread seems to be taking on a life of its own and is getting too complicated. As the kidnapped originator I am going to reorganize it and get back to basics. There are some very serious and unusual issues here that I have not run into before and we might as well use this forum to try to get some use out of this property that will redeem.
Netpred you are hereby notified that I withdraw my offer to bet against redemption. I will not even accept odds of 300 beers to one.
Next onto business. For those of you who dream of your nice little place in the country be prepared for a very verry huge legal bill in the unlikely event that this did not redeem and you even won the tax sale. I estimate $50,000 - $100,000 legals post tax sale to start. By the time we are done with this one it may even be featured in the next edition of Rob's new book.
I am going to reorganize this into 3 separate threads.
Madoc 1 is the base property and tax sale info (eg. value etc) around it.
Madoc 2 is the serious legal question of ownership related issuses. PFM to the contrary
they are serious enough that THIS PROPERTY IS NOT REGISTERED IN LAND TITLES. THEY APPARENTLY CAN'T DO IT??????
Madoc 3 is the watercourse the lake and most importantly the ALLEDGLY ILLEGAL dam that appears to be constructed on the NEIGHBOURING PROPERTY. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE NOT GOT IT YET; BYE BYE DAM; BYE BYE LAKE AND GUESS WHAT YOU HAVE LEFT.