Ontario Tax Sale Property Forum
Tax Sale Forum => Questions and Answers => Topic started by: QueenAwesomesauce on May 20, 2021, 01:48:58 AM
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A lot of the tax sale properties are owned by dead people.
What are some of the stuff left behind or discovered in these properties I wonder?
Please spill the beans...
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Dave found a coffin with a dead body in. ;D
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Dave found a coffin with a dead body in. ;D
Jayz:
Actually I thought you did the best in the tax sale you won in Havelock. I thought you said you made out like a bandit.
There maybe some basis in fact. https://www.durhamregion.com/news-story/5843865-bank-robbery-mystery-still-captures-the-imagination/
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Dave found a coffin with a dead body in. ;D
This is a true account of an attempted real estate purchase where we did find a coffin.
A real estate deal where the original purchaser walked because they could not get financing. A possible purchase of a commercial building with a historic farmhouse in the country
Being old fashioned conservative can work for you. We just get our pound of flesh in a different way. The advantage is that the real estate community knows you have the horsepower to move when it is necessary. When you put down a third of your own equity into the property, you can get your financing okay fast and by phone. This was one of those cases where a quick phone call resulted in a fast yes.
We had to move quickly but a premade deal doesn't come along very often. So we said yes, signed the paperwork and laid down our deposit and ended up with a conditional purchase.
For the seller we give a sweetener to seal the deal by removing the financing condition and give an increased large down payment.
I have a philosophy that money talks in real estate deals. Thus if I want a property, I often use a large deposit payment as a signal to the seller that we are serious.
In the overheated market of recent years its things like this that may make all the difference.
Now all that remained was the inspection. In buying country property I find sellers are funny when it comes to inspection. They sometimes seem to take offense to the fact that you want to carefully look at the property. I have had sellers walk away from a signed and agreed commercial deal because they refused to allow a proper inspection. They insisted that the property was sold "As is as is". I walked. If I want to bet on the gambling table I will go to Las Vegas.
To inspect country property you often have to use different resources. In a case like the one the property was on well water and septic so the above ground inspection is performed separately from the below ground. Little did we expect what we would face coming from below the ground in this case?
For the below ground I often want to do the inspection before I bid. I find the inspection cost is very modest compared to what you may find particularly if the septic system has to be lifted and replaced. It often is classified as contaminated waste and we all know what the cost of handling this is. This leads to the funny request of a seller, that I offer to pump out his septic system for free, even before an offer is on the table.
I know most purchasers would not be caught dead with a septic pump out truck operator. My advice is swallow your pride. My paternal grandmother came from a long line of highland Scots. They have a saying that applies," He who pays the piper, calls the tune".
In the case at hand we decided to do the building inspection first. I use a specialist who can inspect both commercial and residential property. Our problem was the farmhouse. We were unable to contact the tenants, so in accordance with local law and practice we posted a notice on the door, waited 24 hours, and arrived for the inspection.
We did the commercial building first. Normal concerns; some roof work was needed but after 20 years with a tar and pea gravel built up roof, we had expected it and priced it in. A couple of plate glass windows were fogged but again already budgeted for.
Finally after a coffee break we went to the farm house. We knocked on the rear door which opened onto the kitchen. We got no response, and using the key supplied by the owner we went into the kitchen. Let us say we were surprised with the paint scheme.
We next proceeded to the main bathroom. Stranger and stranger. I have been in a lot of bathrooms over the year but this is the first one I have seen painted "BLACK". Even the bathtub was tiled black. If I ever had to replace the tenants I knew where I would advertise for a new tenant. A goth would love the place.
At this point my inspector wanted to go to the basement. He had some concerns about the wiring and wanted to look at the electrical panel. He was right; knob and tube wiring which is a major concern as most insurers will not insure it. This was one factor we had not allowed for in our pricing as it is only possible to see during an inspection. Replacing the wiring in a house is expensive. I had a contingency fund for unexpected expenses but this would exhaust it.
While in the basement we decided to inspect the rest of the basement for leaks. The basement was old and musty. Everything was covered with cobwebs. While my inspector concentrated on the furnace, I looked over the rest of the basement. Over in a corner I saw it. Like all things you do not expect at first I did not believe my own eyes.
I called my inspector over. In thirty years in the inspection business he had never seen anything like it. "A coffin!!!!" It being daylight of course as was to be expected, it was closed.
In recounting the incident to my lawyer later, I asked him for a professional legal opinion. "Was the coffin a chattel or a fixture?" He replied that he did not consider it a fixture because it was unbolted to the floor, but that he understood that the rules may be different in Transylvania.
Normally we do the property management for our own buildings. In talking to the real estate agent who was enquiring how the inspection went, I asked if he knew of a building management company that worked after dark.
We never did buy that property. In a later inspection of the septic bed the nice row of cedars turned out to be growing right over the septic system. There were a couple of other issues that we decided were too expensive to fix for the price. The owner unfortunately would not budge.
Was the coffin occupied? Only two people know for sure; myself and the inspector. Was it part of the act of the two so called ?musicians' who were the supposed tenants? Or was there a more sinister secret.
Come to think of it though not long afterwards, my wife of 30 years started to complain, that she was having difficulty sleeping during the times when the moon was full.
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Ok then, you're gonna make me tell you about the time I did find a dead body in a property.
This investor calls me from the USA and his tenant has disappeared, he can't find him anywhere. He asked his realtor to check it out, but the guy was not successful. So I send a Non Payment notice to the tenant. Nobody hears anything.
Next, I call the building and ask them if there is activity on the FOB, by this time it's a couple weeks later, and there has been no activity in the unit for 30 days, in or out. The tenant owed 5 months rent so I figure he skipped. He just left which people do from time to time.
The investor doesn't have the key, so I call the locksmith, and give a 24 hour notice of Entry for Inspection, and arrange to change the lock for the "abandoned" premises.
Building Security accompanies me, the locksmith lets me in, and I go into the unit which has a slightly musty smell (nothing serious) and is still furnished, it looks abandoned, I walk past the bedroom door and notice someone sleeping, and then as I back out, like you do when you interrupt a person sleeping, I notice the legs I saw have a very bad and unhealthy look to them. Then it registers that the legs are probably the dead person. I go to the door and notify security the guy is dead and she goes to see him in his complete deadness.
So after 5 minutes we called the Police and the more boring pedantic part of death began, and I waited for the Coroner, and then the people who pick up the bodies, and looked for next of kin information and this took the rest of my day.
Turns out the tenant starved himself to death which is why he did not smell bad.
That is the story of the dead guy.