Talking to the Owner

[worldjohn]

While I was looking for partners for the Northern bruce Bid a man contacted me to join in my bid.  I was quite suprised to hear that he had contacted the owners and tried to buy it off them.  He couldnt in this case because there were just too many.  I was more surprised to hear that researching who the owner is and talking to them is his main strategy.  He does it for every tax sale he can. I tried telling him why thats generally not a good idea but he has successfully purchased two properties using this method.  He lurks here but doesnt post. anyone care to comment as Im sure he will read this post

[Pfm1011]

well he is a dick head plain and simple..he may claim to have won two but has screwed more deals then you can count..Its jackasses like him that kill deals like bobcaygeon.   Why in the world would an owner sell you land cheap instead of just paying that tax bill then MLSing the land , The tax bills are usually pennies on the dollar  .

You may want to rethink your strategy Worldjohn,,all I hear is you are sharing info with people who A: bid without you or B: end run all tax sale buyers and has screwed sh*t loads of deals and bought two pieces just below market..of course he wont end run you as you are different..give your head a shake

Too many owners of shouldice?? If thats what he told you he was stroking you..owner is quite dead unless he lived to be 120 years old. Thats why that piece didnt redeem..morons like him couldnt screw it up with their retarded plan to screw us all.  ONLY COMPLETE MORONS TALK TO THE OWNER


You cant get your head around this. you clearly are too trusting of people..write this one your mirror and read it every day..

..WE ARE ALL COMPETITION..
and add

 THERE IS ONLY TWO TYPES OF PARTNER..ONES THAT HAVE SCREWED YOU...AND ONES THAT ARE GOING TO SCREW YOU

then write..

NEVER TALK TO THE OWNER.  


Just so I understand,,you call people idiots for beating you at bids but talk to a scumbag who end runs , screws deals and pays retail ??

[worldjohn]

I wrote this post to inform people that there is someone out there who is talking to the owners.    I wouldnt have found that out had I not talked to him. I did not pursue a partnership with him for a lot reasons. 
There were many owners for shouldice lake.  The original owner died and left to all his descendants equally and they are spread out  over North America and dont get along, hence them not being able to get together to pay the taxes.
Thanks for your condescending helpfull hints, but they're unnecessary, especially the one about not talking to owners.

The fellow who talks to owners goes by "Domino" 
As you stated so clearly WE ARE ALL IN COMPETITION, so why should he care if he screws everyone else over .  Can someone explain  to Domino why its in his best interest not to talk to owners.
People like him (and the overbidders of course) are wrecking the tax sale game for everyone.
Im contemplating posting his email address so people can write him directly and express their views.

[Pfm1011]

Domino..how applicable..any deal he touches,falls over.. and that's just his lastest name..we blew him out of here about a year ago under another name.

Now I will tell you the story of shouldice is a fantasy , if its true, the man is not only a douche..but an absolute moron as well but that is another matter

Now why he should not continue to  be a Uberdouche? ...simple ...greed and money .. we make more money on working together on tax sales then trying to screw everybody by end running  

Lets presume this clown has done two deals in say two years and I'm being generous as I'm sure its been longer because Im sure most owners give him the big F*ck Off then go redeem..  Now in order to do a deal with the owner you would probably, at best , get the property at a 20% discount off retail..In the mean time he has screwed up multiple deals where he could have made more by simply bidding..but that just guessing..let do facts..

In the two year where the genius douchebag has screwed up all these deals in order to make a lousy 20 points.. Us regulars have worked together (as enemies) and played an honest and level game while helping each other out. We give each other advice, we warn of bad deals , we exchange information and WE DONT TALK TO THE OWNER

Now in this two year period I have won 6 properties at a average of 34 cents on the dollar.   Dave has won several , don't know his average return but the island helped , Many others have won a few each  and of course bigfoot has probably won more then 20  he doesn't post. ( although he may) but he doesn't end run like a scummy little douchbag)

Anyone wishes to pipe up you can give us how many and at what discount. Maybe the moron will see the light ( No dollars just ROI)

So essentially the members who work together and share info and DONT TALK TO OWNERS make more deals  at greater profits then scumbag lurkers who think they are smart by trying to endrun everyone but are infact just moron douchebags who screw up deals for everyone including themselves.

If the moron can actually contain his sleaziness for one year..he will see substantially more profits for himself and others..

"You can run down and screw one..or walk down and screw them all"



Don't worry he isn't the first clown to try it and he wont be the last..sleaziness and stupidity seem to run hand in hand

PS

Sorry missed calling him a cockroach so I will just add it here....friggin cockroach

[twinn1]

WHAT THE F***

I can understand this fools game plan as in his mind, worst case is that if he does'nt do the deal, it gets redeemed.  If he can;t play then no one else will.  BUT, if the properties get redeemed it means he never plays and therefore never wins!

Reasons you do not talk to the owner:
1. It WILL redeem 99.9% of the time.  If the owner is abscent and the township has inadequate mailing records etc.. then he just shot himeself in the foot.  And all of us as well.

2. Everybody here assumes that the owner;s are either broke, dumb hillbillies etc... the majority of good properties are redeemed, if not they are mostly junk land with vaule to adjoining owners.

3. If the owners were that desperate for cash, they would have sold the property by now, any fool can call an real estate agent.

4.  Even if the owner was going to let it go to tax sale as he has no use for the land, he will now redeem it because the said douche(s) have implied that it has value.  Why would the owner not just redeem it and list on MLS. 

I assume that this douche is not alone, there are probely a few people that use this stragedy that lurk on here, all thinking they are smarter then everyone else.   Total fools.  I really can;t understand that stragedy, its just so stupid, I can;t comprehend how people can be so dumb.

Simple math.
Fool has "won" two properties with this stragedy over an unspecieifed time frame.  Now, if he would have just bid on ALL of the properties he caused to be redeemed, his chances would much greater at winning more bids.  Sure, he might not have won at all or maybe won 10, guess the fool will never know.

[markymark]

don't talk to the owner.
don't talk to the neighbour.
don't park in the driveway to look around.
Enough said?again and again and again.
You can do this after you own it ,or NEVER own it.

[Pfm1011]

Although it may be difficult as  this doesn't involve being a sleazebag..a substantially more profitable way to proceed would be to fight the urge to be a sleazebag cockroach and actually bid like everybody else..now you will have a chance to actually win the piece at a good price because the owner didn't redeem as you didn't actually call him...

Now if you don't win the bid, you can immediately offer to buy the winners position for the 20 to 25 off retail that you would have had to pay the owner ( if he hadn't told you to "f*ck off vulture" then hung up and redeemed)

Now most winners will sell their position in a minute for a good profit as they haven't had to put heavy money in yet, the property isn't in their name and wont be, they haven't had to list it with a real estate agent. ( which means the winner reduces his douchebag exposure additionally the exposure is reduced as no lawyer is involved"  

I think all of us will take a reduction in price if we only have to deal with one douchebag  ( you ) versus three ( you since we have been exposed to you by the refused offer, then a realtor, then a lawyer) This doesn't allow for the heavy ( near terminal ) douchebag exposure that could occur if a couple of you scumbags bid..

So worse case you still get the property at  25% off and everybody wins, Best of all it involves no scuminess ( OK you can steal the pen after the deal and maybe make the seller pay for the lunch using the I forgot my wallet story, )

Now I do understand that this is a difficult move as there is no douchiness involved. It will help to get a mentor and go to the meetings ( check your area but they are usually Monday nights)  it will get easier as time goes on but remember " you are always a douchebag, just  a recovering douchebag"

" Hi my name is Domino and I am  douchebag"

" Hi Domino"

"Its been three weeks since I did anything sleazy..well last night I fell off the wagon"

"Oh Domino"

" I was at a restaurant and the waitresses tip had fallen on the seat, I couldn't help myself and I stole it, I know is was a slimebag move,but I didn't care that the waitress was a single mom..I just needed the rush of being douche"

sigh from the other members

" I couldn't help myself, it was the same rush I got when I stole from all the lockers in gym class in grade nine, the power , the I'm smarter then everyone feeling"

Mentor    " dammit domino..less then 3 months ago you were bin diving at amity boxes,  Oh wait..I'm sorry , you have done so much better , I forget just a year ago you were collecting money for cancer and keeping it.."



You get the idea...And yes Domino you can continue to suck your friends into Amway if you need your fix of being a scumbag. You could always start a pidgeon breeding..oh wait thats been done.... emeralds..damn..

[Frank]

Too funny...but true

I recently responded to an add on Kijiji...selling a mini Kubota tractor with all kinds of attachments...four years old and with low hours, probably worth at least $25k....asking price $5k.   Vendor wrote me back stating that if I sent moeny through this secure mechanism, the goods would be shipped, insured, and I would get them in three days, with 14 days to decide if I really wanted them.   Of course it's a scam..you send the money, and get nothing...money goes to Nigeria, or perhaps Dunnville.  Anyways, I could have sworn the guy went by the code name 'Domino"...the add was pulled by Kijiji within two hours, and warnings placed on their sites.

[BandD]

Hi! I don't do a lot of posts,but had to respond to this one.I have yet to win one  and by the sounds of it may have to wait a long time for it to happen! I don't have a lot of cash "to work with".Question is are there a lot of this type(ruining it for us all) or not? Thank you

[worldjohn]

I would safely assume there is usually at least one person doing this.  I know  "domino" is reading this (hence my extra bad karma)
So domino or any others who talk to owners, Why dont you grow a set of balls and post a reply rationalizing what u do.

[domino]

Wow after reading all of this I'm shock at how fast people assume or convict someone with just the words of one.
This is how Jesus must have felt , I'm by no means a religious person but wow what I just read is a shame.

[netpred]

Wow after reading all of this I'm shock at how fast people assume or convict someone with just the words of one.
This is how Jesus must have felt , I'm by no means a religious person but wow what I just read is a shame.

Yes, there were some nasty things said about you (or another Domino). I think that most comments are geared towards someone who has a strategy of contacting the owner hence spoiling it for everyone else.

Is there another side to this story that has not yet been told? If so, I would like to hear it.

[Pfm1011]

"Wow after reading all of this I'm shock at how fast people assume or convict someone with just the words of one.
This is how Jesus must have felt , I'm by no means a religious person but wow what I just read is a shame"



Comparing yourself to Jesus... that is so far beyond mega douchebag , I'm betting you thought in your  douchebag  mind  this would lead to sympathy at a deep rooted level...Im betting people are aiming more at Crucifixion then sympathy ..


but I could be entirely wrong...and this is a public board..please do enlighten us (meanwhile someone round  up a few old roman costumes and a some  railroad ties)


Maybe we are just mean people and we have wronged you, tell us about yourself..


For business discussion lets at least use real world scenario

Tell us about how you handled Bobcaygeon, Date you finally got in contact with the owner, what offer you made him..his response.

Please do justify why one member of this forum isnt clearing land at their new cottage because the owner redeemed late in the day..

[domino]

As for Bobcaygeon Not me?
I have been dabling with tax sales for about 4 yrs  more or less watching and I have lost many bids and the top bids 80% of the time have been realestate companies..... So the ONE time during an interesting tax sale I did , do a further investigation and found the owner to be passed on and living in the states only to leave the property to his grandchildren who at that time were in there 50's and have never been too Canada there for were not interested at the time. So yes I did contact the owner and no I'm not a douchebag just a person trying to get ahead in life .
I am bye no means rich or wealthy but I'm trying to get buy so I like investing what littel monies I have in property.

[worldjohn]

Well you earned some respect for having the balls to post a reply.
But you did tell me talking to the owners is what u ususally do. heres the quote from our msn
"thats why i always try to get a hold of the family before the sale"
You didnt understand why it wasnt a good idea and I guess I didnt explain it that well.  But after reading all this Do u finally understand that talking to the owners is in no ones best interest?
Will you stop doing it?
Or do you need the others to explain it further to you?