middle earth land

[buggeritian2]

I wanted to bid on 100 acres and only after many emails, to the revelant municipality, did I find out that If I were successful in the bid I probably would not have been able to walk across my neighbor's adjoining land to get to my piece of land!!! Any thoughts on this anyone?? The feeling I get is that the surrounding "neighbors" wanted to keep the "middle earth" for themselves!!Where are the Ontario laws about access to your piece of land i.e. middle earth?
  By the way... great web site guys thanks.

[RichD]

Unless the property in question has deeded access across these neighboring lands why would you expect to be able to just walk right threw them to get to it? It is private property isn't it? Don't they have the right to restrict who has permision to use there own land? 

[Frank]

Anyone out there have a used helicopter for sale???

There are plenty of land-locked parcels that go up for tax sale.  That is why they are up for sale.

Where is middle-earth anyhow.  I read about that in the Hobbit, i think.

[speedfreeksteve]

You're better off just not even going there when it comes to landlocked properties. Even if you have a neighbour that might give you access to it, it doesn't mean that you will have access to it forever. If they sell or change their mind then you're out of luck.

If I had someone ask to use my land to access their property on a regular basis, I would likely refuse. Not worth the potential trouble and hassle that could happen sometime down the road.

The only person that land has any real value to is the adjoining neighbours.

[RichD]

Every one has a price, If you can get the prop. cheap enough you may be able to buy deeded access across their land but that's hard to negotiate before you buy the prop. and a gamble as to wheather you can get it after you bought it. How much do you like to gamble

[speedfreeksteve]

There's a few problems with deeded right-of-ways. I saw one case where someone had access to their property essentially blocked off when their neighbour decided to build a shop that was partally blocking where the deeded access was. The person tried to fight it and lost.

In another case, a person had a right-of-way on one side of someones land. This was already abit of a low area with minor flooding in the spring and fall. The owner of the property got about 500 loads of fill brought in making most of his property higher. This had the effect of turning the right-of-way area into a driveway that was under 6 inches of water most of the time.

It's also not necessarily any cheaper to go that route of securing a right-of-way and buying the property. If the property was such a bargain, then you would think that one of the owners of adjoining property would've bought it.

[RichD]

No doubt all the points you made are valid and I wouldn't question you for a second. The point I was trying to make is depending on the lay of the land and the positions of the properties in question (not necessarily these) It may be worth your while to try?  Not every one is financially in a position to jump on the property next door that comes up for tax sale, assuming they even know about it. And if they do bid they probably won't feel the need to go very high with a bid because who else would want it right??

[Frank]

Nine times out of ten these 'middle earth' properties, and remnant parcels that have no use, don't attract a bid through tax sale.  The Municipalities usually end up taking them and then offering them for sale as 'surplus municipal property' and the neighbouring properties - which presumably would have a use for them, are given preferrential treatment in acquiring them for a minimal value.

[GregM]

Do any of you know if the following landlocked 100 acres in Tweed sold? If so, for how much? It looked like a lot of effort to get to that property.

Property No. 3: East Half of Lot 28 Concession 8, Township of Elzevir,
now the Municipality of Tweed County of Hastings containing one
hundred (100) acres more or less. Last described in Deed No.
Transfer/Deed 417832.
Property Roll No. 12-31-132-020-07400-0000.
Minimum Tender Amount: $3,921.01

[speedfreeksteve]

If that Tweed property is reasonably accessible by some way that looks like it could be a decent prospect.

One other thing to consider is how unaccessible a landlocked property is. I remember one I was looking into a few years back that was about 2 km's landlocked from any roads, and you would've had to cross at least 2 or 3 other properties to get to it.

I know that's a pretty extreme example, but there are places like that out there.

[GregM]

The Tweed sale is complete but I don't know if it sold or not. For discussion purposes here is a map of the nearest roads. It is the east-most half of the lot outlined in black. I was considering visiting it by canoeing/portaging down from the power lines to the north of it. That would mean portaging over private land however. Any road allowances looked like they went through ponds.

[GregM]

Here's a 1-50,000 view of the same property.

[RichD]

Had I lived closer and knew more about the terrain up there  and had more time I would have liked to check these 2 Tweed properties out. I had the same thought as you about going in via the power lines but this particular one looked to far off of the beaten path for me, the other one would have got more of my attention had I been interested as it looked closer to open roads. I suppose the amount of ones interest in a given property will be determined by our final intended purpose for the property. If all your looking for is 100 acres to go deer hunting on then 5 or 10 Grand is a good price to pay even if you need to canoe for 45 min. to get there. As has been said multiple times on this site Value is in the eyes of the beholder.

[Woody]

I live in the Tweed area, and there were no bids on the two land-locked parcels.  I did a bit of research (talked to adjacent land owners) and found out that it would not be possible to get access to the properties in question.  The adjacent land owners were not willing to talk about a right of way as they currently hunt on their properties and plan on hunting on the tax sale properties once they become property of the township.  They had no plans on bidding on the property, as they can use it for free once its property of the township.

[GregM]

Thanks Woody, That answers a lot of questions I had about the property.