Landlocked parcels with no road access

[waldo]

Hi all,

Hopefully someone out there will answer my question. I watch tax sales a bit, but have always wondered:

what do people do with landlocked parcels with no road access? What can you do with 100 acres of treed land that has nothing on it, and no way to get to it? I know a lot of people in tax sales are out to profit, but I don't understand how they make money on parcels like this.

Anyone? Bueller?

[netpred]

The short answer is that these properties usually have no value. That is why most will not attract any bids or sell near minimum.

In some cases there might be some value, for example if there is access by water, if adjoining property is owned, if it is on an unopened road allowance or if there is some trail into it.

In other cases there may be some inherent value in the property such as selling timber rights if a logging road can be put in. In most cases, the properties are bought by hunters who cut ATV trails in. Many hunters, but certainly not all, are not detered by "no trespassing" and "private property" signs so access once a year is not a major issue.

[Pfm1011]

Many hunters, but certainly not all, are not detered by "no trespassing" and "private property" signs so access once a year is not a major issue.

These same douchebags will shoot you if you  even dream of touching  their land but  will cut down trees and blow the shit out of anything that moves ( in or out of season) on everybody elses land because they "have the right"

[netpred]

Many hunters, but certainly not all, are not detered by "no trespassing" and "private property" signs so access once a year is not a major issue.

These same douchebags will shoot you if you  even dream of touching  their land but  will cut down trees and blow the shit out of anything that moves ( in or out of season) on everybody elses land because they "have the right"

PFM, don't hold back - tell us how you really feel  .

Seriously, PFM is bang on regarding many hunters. Not all, but perhaps most hunters are covered by his description. Funny, I often don't find myself disagreeing with PFM - although I might express myself differently.

[Pfm1011]

I am in no way opposed to responsible hunting but I despise the poachers and trespassers.
  
 I know a lady in Barry's bay who had some aholes come on her and her neighbours land and in one weekend killed 18 bears and left the corpses to rot in a pile . Absolutely disgusting scumbags who should get a bullet behind the ear themselves

 I like the system in some Ontario regions which requires the hunter to have written permission from the owner on them otherwise its poaching charges on the spot.    Now the hunter has to prove he has the right to be there and they cant get away with simply pulling down the "no trespassing" signs


That system should be province wide.   85% of this province is crown land but they dicks still come and poach on peoples land. That's just hunters being dickheads   ( more like dickheads going hunting)

[stillsleepy]

PFM, your views are pretty interesting. While I don't contest them at all, I have been getting more and more involved with firearms owners in the southern ontario region over the last two years (eventually working to get my licenses) and from what I've experienced, these guys are all pretty stand up. Firearms are extremely important and sensitive issues to them, and they do EVERYTHING by the book.

I would suggest, if you experience this sort of thing in the future (or if anyone does for that matter) to get in touch with the local gun club(s). Speak with the president and/or other senior members, and let them know that someone's been hunting illegally, abusing the wildlife, the land, and most of all, making the responsible firearms owners look bad. I'm sure they'll be pretty pissed and side with you, and they'll probably put more effort into tracking down the culprits than you'd expect.

[Frank]

PFM, your views are pretty interesting. While I don't contest them at all, I have been getting more and more involved with firearms owners in the southern ontario region over the last two years (eventually working to get my licenses) and from what I've experienced, these guys are all pretty stand up. Firearms are extremely important and sensitive issues to them, and they do EVERYTHING by the book.

I would suggest, if you experience this sort of thing in the future (or if anyone does for that matter) to get in touch with the local gun club(s). Speak with the president and/or other senior members, and let them know that someone's been hunting illegally, abusing the wildlife, the land, and most of all, making the responsible firearms owners look bad. I'm sure they'll be pretty pissed and side with you, and they'll probably put more effort into tracking down the culprits than you'd expect.

I'm with you on this one....I don't mind giving permission to hunters if I am asked, and at least that way I feel I can control the numbers. 

The ones that really piss me off are the quadsters and snowmobilers, who think that if there is a trail then it is their god given right to go down it.  Bunch of lemings who just follow one after the other, on unauthorized 'trails', and in the southern areas like Niagara, there are no approved trails, so they are all illegal.  The local police have a snowmobile unit to chase after them, but if you call them then they come the next day and there is no way to get them.  I once stopped a group, and informed them that they were trespassing...one decided that he should push me around a bit, and I tore a sticker from his machine.  When I called the cops, I found out that they had absolutely no way to trace a sticker that was already 12 years old.   Absolute bandits, that ride their machines through your back yard at 2 in the morning. 

[baller50]

Lots of bad idiots the give the good hunters a bad name!

I'm a hunter myself and lots of people i meet that are also hunters arnt people that I would
associate with..

[Pfm1011]

PFM, your views are pretty interesting. While I don't contest them at all, I have been getting more and more involved with firearms owners in the southern Ontario region over the last two years (eventually working to get my licenses) and from what I've experienced, these guys are all pretty stand up. Firearms are extremely important and sensitive issues to them, and they do EVERYTHING by the book.

I would suggest, if you experience this sort of thing in the future (or if anyone does for that matter) to get in touch with the local gun club(s). Speak with the president and/or other senior members, and let them know that someones been hunting illegally, abusing the wildlife, the land, and most of all, making the responsible firearms owners look bad. I'm sure they'll be pretty pissed and side with you, and they'll probably put more effort into tracking down the culprits than you'd expect.

What you are talking about are gun club members..which is like comparing bridgestone racing school  or Skid School students to 19 year old street racers in daddy's car...  Only a tiny portion of hunters actually belong to gun clubs

One of my old jobs was to fly Caribou hunters  from Montreal to northern Quebec in a Convair 580. I have seen some good hunters but  more moron redneck hunters then you can possible imagine. including an idiot who, as soon as the door opened , ran down the stairs to the baggage cart and  opened up on a herd of Caribou crossing the airport. He  managed to wound  four ..unfortunately the retard only had 2 tags and two game wardens were standing ten feet from him...Needless to say he was substantially poorer by days end

And as per Franks comment , He forgot to mention the ATVers and Skidooers will simply run over your no trespassing signs  and some  hunters who do ask for permission , will simply come back and ignore you if you say no as you are clearly  some sort of pussy faggot asshole who wont allow me to blow the shit out of your ducks, deer, the last white rhino , and possible your children.

The reason some areas require the hunter to have written permission on them, is not because the hunters obey the rules and respect other peoples property rights

And complaining to the gun club ..sorry but that's like going to a Bob Marley concert and complaining to the security about the pot smokers


Enforcement   ( probably less then 1% caught)http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/en/Business/Enforcement/2ColumnSubPage/282734.html

http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/en/Business/Enforcement/2ColumnSubPage/273460.html


So much for EVERYTHING by the book

[stillsleepy]

I didn't say hunters do everything by the book, I said the folks at the ranges/clubs do. If you've got statistics for the number of licensed club members with firearms, hunting, or other violations, I'd love to see 'em.

Granted, being a city boy I really have no experience what the attitude is in the true north, but I've been to ranges outside of the GTA and the members of those clubs took their voluntary roles more seriously than most people take their jobs. Just as well, many of them were avid hunters or long rifle target shooters, so I would expect they have more connections to the hunting community than you or I. I don't expect they'd be able to tell you exactly who was on your (or others) property and when, but I expect they'd know the names, attitudes, and perhaps habits of the "bad apples" they have come across in the past.

I could be wrong, but in my experience thus far most firearms owners cross paths at one point or another. They do need to buy their guns and ammo from the same place as others in their community, unless they do it all online or there are an abundance of gun shops in that region (which I doubt).

[Pfm1011]

This might eliminate some long standing confusion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCgCceg042w&feature=related

[waltersland]

Going back to the original inquiry; in no one familiar with the Road Access Act?
It is a tax sale bidder's companion piece of legislation.

[Asindero]

Every concession line is a road allowance. 66 feet wide. Unopened means you can make the road at your own cost. The problem is if it pass a swamp, environmental protection will not allow you.

This was a case in a 100 ac in Wollaston. The only possible way is by a helicopter or one corner of the property is a creek leading to town. That lot maybe worthless but the winning bid was 68k.

[Ronster]

PFM painting all hunters with the same brush is like saying all drivers are bad.  I have seen lots of bad drivers, but don't generalize that everyone who drives is bad...likewise with hunters.  Sounds like you have had some bad experiences though.