Shoreline Road Allowance

[Bruce289]

Is there anybody that knows how to determine which lakes in Ontario have (or had) a shoreline road allowance?

Is it any lake that is big enough to put a boat into?

Thanks... Bruce

[JC]

You have to check the original Crown Patent for the concession lot to see if the shore road allowance was reserved.  I've seen some lakes where only part of the shore has road allowance because it was reserved on some but not all of the lots on the lake.

[Dave2]

You have to check the original Crown Patent for the concession lot to see if the shore road allowance was reserved.  I've seen some lakes where only part of the shore has road allowance because it was reserved on some but not all of the lots on the lake.

I expect that this may become a big issue on some lakes.  A surveyor friend of mine told the government had a tender for something like if memory serves me correctly 5,000 surveys in the Muskoka lakes alone last year.

[Bruce289]

You have to check the original Crown Patent for the concession lot to see if the shore road allowance was reserved.  I've seen some lakes where only part of the shore has road allowance because it was reserved on some but not all of the lots on the lake.

However, if I'm interpreting this bulletin correctly... http://www.ontario.ca/ontprodconsume/groups/content/@tsso/documents/document/stel01_078540.pdf

Then the shoreline road allowance would not of had to originally been patented.

Unless I'm wrong, which I very well might be and hence I'm asking for help.

Bruce

[DRD]

I don't think it would fly in court, how would they explain illegally collecting to much tax for how many years?

[Pfm1011]

I stand to be corrected but

Simply rely on the land titles survey, If there is no allowance shown, it does not exist or is no longer valid

Towns up north are selling them off and down south are trying to get them back for walkways/bike paths etc

As a capitalist I should oppose this BUT In the US substantial portions of the Oceanfront have a 200 ft public space . I think all lakes oceans and major rivers should have a 200 ft public area . Remember just over a 100 years ago the land around  Niagara falls was private and the public had to pay the "Lords" to see them.

Oakville , Burlington etc tried to seize the land which was disgusting..charge 100K in property tax and try to grab the land which has been in the family for 100 years ( communism was alive and well in Oakville) They got creamed in court by the property owners.

They are now grabbing the land at rezoning applications which is the correct way to go. As part of the Edgemere application the town grabbed the first 50 feet of waterfront for a public park

http://www.edgemere.ca

  35 million for a house on 11 acres, bulldoze and build 30 townhouse/condos from 1.6 to 5 million .  The developer does fail to mention in the promo material that the waterfront is no longer just for the 30 "special people" who anti up stupid amounts of money for a condo..at least they don't have to live near the "unwashed masses of untouchables" (as we all know are the  people who live north of the lakeshore in houses worth less then a million and actually dont  drive a Mercedes or BMW )

[DRD]

If it could have been done right Peter G would have done it himself and not sold!   Was on the property about ten years ago, nice place. I do noy know if that was sucess or excess.

[Pfm1011]

If it could have been done right Peter G would have done it himself and not sold!   .

That is exactly my thinking...If he cant do it  it seems like a bad idea..additionally it is a real bubble project, cant see it going in a slower economy ..of course I didn't think the 2.5 million dollar townhouses would go downtown oakville.. and they all sold.. mind you the total land cost to the developer was about 200K per unit.  

For people scratching their heads, the old owner  of Edgemere is Peter Gilgan  President of Mattamy homes  sold the site for 35 million to the developer . who now has 1.2 million per condo just in land cost  and the private lakefront is no longer private.Of course the stupidity of the Oakville market never ceases to amaze me..

I cant imagine the condo fees.. Property tax alone will be  between 16 and 50K per unit  depending on the condo and I bet another couple K a month on maintenance, security etc etc ..

[DRD]

Since you seem to know Oakville pretty well how about the house down the street (without saying any names) cost a little less than Peters house and just under fifty thousand square feet.   Any guess on the taxes?

[Pfm1011]

I presume you mean the little beer hall.

I have no clue on cost ( 4 million for the land alone ) but Im betting he has an assessed at over 50 million so tax at 500k Im guessing. 50, 000 sq Pretty sick for just husband and wife..

gee hon..where did you leave the keys??

[DRD]

LOL yes thats the one, the estimate for permit was 25 mill and that was when the town was using % of cost for permit. So I would guess more