Frontenac

[Pfm1011]

Has anyone checked out the Frontenac pieces yet? The 30 acres  is locked and the 100 has Environmental sensitive zoning on half the land .Google maps is a winter shot so you can tell if its ponds or swamp. With the environmental zone I suspect its just a mosquito breeding facility.    If anyone visited and is taking a pass , would appreciate some info images etc

Also anyone know whats been redeemed. With a list like that there should be a pile stroked out by now.

[26.2]

I checked out Desert Lake and have decided to pass.  To me there appears to be a driveway right thru it to the next cottage.  Also with a depth of 132 feet and the set backs you are really limited to what you could build. I am not an expert so if you like the area, check it out yourself. 

The 30 acres  is locked and the 100 has Environmental sensitive zoning on half the land

The tender package indicates the 33 acre property has road access? Is that not the case?

[worldjohn]

I've done minimal internet and phone research on 6 properties.  yes the 110 acres has some swamp on it. But the 33 acre property has year round road access according to the mpac assessment. pmf101 where did u get your info?
On the second property listed file#7048 with a min bid of $5440 I think I found a crown lien.  On the statutory declaration one of the interested parties is the Director of the Family Responsibility Office.
Anyone else find any other crown liens or swamps on any of these properties?

[worldjohn]

Ok it looks like pfm1011 might be right after all and mpac might be wrong.  Looking at other maps of the 33 acre parcel looks like no road access.  (possible trail on one map though)
And its not the only property to have wrong info attached.  for example the 1 acre need bobs lake (file#22559) claims year round road access but  when I talked to the zoning department they said no, its limited service on a private lane. 
As well I was told (by someone in the treasury department who sounded honest and sincere) that many of the lakefront and and near-lake lots in the area are accessed by private lanes and roads (including ones in this tax sale) that run through private property! but it all works out through gentlman agreements. Any opinions on if that might be the reason some of these are up for tax sale? and opinions on how that might affect the value?

[Pfm1011]

Here is the google Earth  lat long ..give or take a hundred feet

 44?34'16.79"N  76?20'54.17"W  It is north of the railway bed which belongs to the conservation authority now so it is a rail trail or shall be, ( rail trails dont count as frontage) 

http://www.township.southfrontenac.on.ca/files/080812%20-%20Bedford%20District%20SCHEDULE%20D.pdf

The zoning map shows as the property is Lot 6 con 17 which is the four acre triangle , The 30 acres   36248-0204   is Part lot 5 con 17 and is north of the railway, nowhere near Opinicon rd and the teranet image confirms this...

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Unless I severely missed something its 30 acres of crap

[26.2]

The 30 acres  is locked and the 100 has Environmental sensitive zoning on half the landThe 30 acres  is locked and the 100 has Environmental sensitive zoning on half the land

So it looks like South Frontenac made a mistake on the tender info. 
There is another parcel,  on Burridge Lake that I thought looked interesting, but water access only.  I suspected that this might be a mistake.  There looks like there is a road allowance to the property according to the mpac map.  I am not interested in this one so I didn't pursue it any further.

[worldjohn]

another mistake is the dog lake property. The tender info states it is on lot 10 and has no concession#. But the two maps I looked at show it to be on lot 18. If that werent enough to scare me off apparently the lot is solid rock and would require 20K in blasting just to access it from the lane and will have septic issues.
Its hard to find a property that isnt a dog here. (a sickly dog not a purebred)
The 9.11 acres lot has hydo towers going across it.
the ormsbee road lot has some "low areas"
All my info comes from the treasury, building, zoning and health departments. Its not that likely that all these people have 'cousins' who are going to bid on these and they do seem sincere. Am I being naive?
so can anyone confirm that the "family responsibility office" is a crown lien.

[Pfm1011]

so can anyone confirm that the "family responsibility office" is a crown lien.

yup ..thats a crown lien...someone didnt pay their child support..Naughty Naughty

The Northshore piece has a house but I have no idea if it redeemed and Im not in the mood to chuck someone out at xmas (Truth is I got my butt kicked a few years ago on a piece on Northshore and would completely bug me going back to the area as  me and the misses  really wanted the piece as a keeper)

Looks like my year of shopping is done unless the gazette comes up with a christmas eve sale

[26.2]

so can anyone confirm that the "family responsibility office" is a crown lien.

yup ..thats a crown lien...someone didnt pay their child support..Naughty Naughty

I don't get it .  What are you talking about?  Are there inisders?  Is there a conflict of interest here?  If one example is Burridge Lake and they call it water access when it isn"t, that is a problem!.  We spent a lot time and money on this journey and risk huge amounts of capital and to have that compromised by unscrupulous nepotist is beyond the pale!

[worldjohn]

Hmm, 26.2 Im not sure exactly what your saying.  I dont think anyone was stating nepotism was happening here. there is always a chance of it but that could never be proved anyways. I think the slight mistakes and contradictions are due to an inexperienced treasury department conducting their forst sale. Is anyone from this board going to the tender opening? I think one of the experts should go because they know a lot more about the process than the treasury department

[Frank]

Hmm, 26.2 Im not sure exactly what your saying.  I dont think anyone was stating nepotism was happening here. there is always a chance of it but that could never be proved anyways. I think the slight mistakes and contradictions are due to an inexperienced treasury department conducting their forst sale. Is anyone from this board going to the tender opening? I think one of the experts should go because they know a lot more about the process than the treasury department

That often happens in smaller municipalities as a result of inexperience.  However, I have noted mistakes in much larger municipalities and upon inquiry they have acknowledged their mistakes and made changes to their ads and materials provided to bidders.   Has anyone gone to the municipality and asked them to verify their information.

[farrouk]

Guys and Gals
Lots of errors and inconsistencies on this sale. The township is only obliged to give you the property legal description and the cancellation price. Beyond that anything else is bonus and could be suspect. I do believe that they even screwed up the legal description on one allready. I have called the township and they have 2 different stories depending on which department you talk to. No one seems to know which roads are private and which ones aren't, can you build or not ect.
Buyer Beware!!!!!

[markymark]

Guys and Gals
Lots of errors and inconsistencies on this sale. The township is only obliged to give you the property legal description and the cancellation price. Beyond that anything else is bonus and could be suspect. I do believe that they even screwed up the legal description on one allready. I have called the township and they have 2 different stories depending on which department you talk to. No one seems to know which roads are private and which ones aren't, can you build or not ect.
Buyer Beware!!!!!

Bingo!
Or are you asking if the lien exists and FRO is a crown lien ?

[worldjohn]

The lien exists and it is a crown lien. There could be others but I only researched 7 or so properties.
I found it by asking the treasurer for the statutory declarations. (according to the latest version of the municipal act they have to give it to you) This piece of paper shows who the treasurer sent out final notices to and lists all the interested parties and their addresses.  I use this instead of doing a title search right away. although the info on it is usually over 6 months old it is still a valuable guide.
Someone give me some good karma for this awesome tip!

[Larry]

You definitely deserve the good karma. I liked some of the properties in Frontenac, but did not have enough time to research. I wish everybody Merry Christmas. Hoping for good properties in 2009.
Larry